By Kevin Baxter
Posted via 18.104.22.168 on August 19, 2004 at 4:10 AM (MST)
Statements below are the work of their authors and not necessarily the opinion of Theme Park Insider.
With the announcement of the upcomingThe Italian Job: Stunt Track themed coaster, Paramount is making it look like the highly themed Tomb Raider: The Ride was the proverbial leaf being turned over by the theme park operator.
So, what other properties could Paramount turn into reasonably-priced themed attractions?
Amazingly enough, Paramount has four possibilities coming out before the end of the year:
Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events is the most obvious choice, as it will most likely do well at the box office. Add to that the books' popularity with both kids and adults, and you have a good theme for a family attraction. But what kind of attraction? How about teaming up with Sally Rides, maker of its popular Scooby Doo shooters, and creating a not-too-scary haunted house style dark ride? Paramount seems interested in family dark rides, especially with its upcoming release of...
The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie. Paramount already has the rights to SpongeBob so they are already seriously thinking about making that dark ride themed to the obnoxious sponge. I think Paramount blew it by not giving its water parks a Bikini Bottom theme. While its current SpongeBob 3-D ridefilm is an okay addition, if the new movie does well they really do need to add a SpongeBob ride. I wouldn't bother with a dark ride, though. How about theming up their water rides? They did at least one of them with a Wild Thornberrys theme.
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow has a great look to it, but not much is known beyond that. If it does turn into a smash, sequels would surely be on the horizon. What about attractions? Without knowing anything about the film, I could only suggest a themed coaster. We'll have to wait a month to see what other rides it lends itself to.
Team America: World Police has the least chance of ever becoming an attraction, but it is the one I am most rooting for. Marionettes in an R-rated action flick! Created by the brains behind South Park. Turn the R into a PG, and this could make one wicked It's a Small World satire. If the movie does well, which is far from certain. AND if Paramount has the guts to create it, which is even less certain.
Paramount may have the absolute worst website of any film studio! Some big moneymakers for the studio, like Top Gun, are missing while losers like Crossroads and We Were Soldiers are. So here are just a few blasts from the past - that I could remember, at least - with theming possibilities:
Mission Impossible and its sequel are obvious choices. But what type of attraction? With so many different action sequences in those films, the ride should be a hybrid, like a flume/coaster or even a dueling or racing coaster.
Star Trek has been basically overlooked at the parks, and I have to wonder why. Not that I am a big fan or anything, it just seems odd for such a huge franchise to be ignored. Universal used to have a fun live show where audience members could become "actors" in episodes of the show. Paramount has pretty horrible stage shows, so why not try something like this? At the very least, they would then be able burn DVDs of the show for the performers and make a tidy little profit.
Other properties are a little iffier. The Indiana Jones movies probably couldn't be used as they may have lost that license forever to Disney. Too bad as there are ideas galore in those movies.
Beavis and Butt-head do Paramount would be a fun addition, but WHAT kind of addition? Not to mention the duo have practically been forgotten. If the long-rumored sequel ever appears, which is doubtful, something should be done to get these morons into the park. Even dumping them into the motion simulator with a new short film would be welcome.
South Park would be a favorite of mine, but how could they create an attraction without losing much of what makes that show work? Not that the show is always profane, but unless someone can talk Trey Parker and Matt Stone into creating something with wit - like a short parody of theme parks, maybe even Disney theme parks - the effort might not be worth it.
If all else fails, how about Jackass: The Live Show? Audience members could compete in events like Paper Cuts, Snorting Wasabi and Pee Cone. No?
Hey, that's my two pennies... Gimme yours!
From Jefferson Heller
Judging from the computer animated Italian Stunt Job Stunt Track video, it looks to be an exciting, highly themed launch coaster...which is a good thing. But... who saw this movie?! I much prefer the concept of the Adams Family ride which would combine elements of a partial walk-thru haunted house, dive machine and roller coaster. This attraction would also incorporate heavy theming to create a truly unique ride experience based on a more popular movie/TV show. I hope this idea/concept has not been scrapped by Paramount.
Posted via 22.214.171.124 on August 19, 2004 at 7:46 AM (MST)
From Matt Fugate
does anyone know where they are going to put the Italian Job ride.Im thinking theyre gonna knock down Top Gun because the lines are never long. I dont want them to Top Gun is one of my favorite rides!
Posted via 126.96.36.199 on August 19, 2004 at 7:52 AM (MST)
From Robert OGrosky
Since Sky Captain was bounced from its summer opening due to very bad reviews by test audiences i dont think we have to worry about a ride based on whats looks to be both a bad film and a box office bomb.
Posted via 188.8.131.52 on August 19, 2004 at 10:28 AM (MST)
From Jason Brumbaugh
Don't worry about losing Top Gun. They're ripping out the antique cars and putting it there.
Posted via 184.108.40.206 on August 19, 2004 at 1:41 PM (MST)
Also, now to the question at hand: Ok, maybe Paramount doesn't have the greatest film properties to choose from, but what about Grease, Sleepy Hollow, Titanic, or The Untouchables? I'd kill to see a Tim Burton-esque "Sleepy Hollow" ride at the parks (terrible movie, but awesome visuals and story/theme).
Also, some of their TV properties (Cheers, Happy Days, The Brady Bunch, I Love Lucy, etc.) might lend be a source of inspiration... not for rides(!), but themed eateries or shows.
From Chuck Campbell
PKD does have the Happy Days Diner in the Grove section. It used to be Stan Mikita's, back in the old Wayne's World days. It's been dolled up to look like a mini-Johnny Rocket's, and the TVs play Happy Days episodes all day long--more than anyone can stand, I'm sure. Still, it does look nice.
Posted via 220.127.116.11 on August 19, 2004 at 3:07 PM (MST)
It is odd that Paramount hasn't done more with Star Trek (aside from Carowinds' Borg Assimilator). They used to have Klingons and Ferengis (checking out "hu-man females") wandering around, but that was some time ago.
Since they lost the right to use the Outer Limits on the Flight of Fear, they should retheme it as a Borg cube. They can redo the queue area, which really is just a dirty warehouse with TV monitors and a "flying saucer," into a crashed Borg cube. Line the walls with Borg regeneration cubicles, which sometimes come to life--use the scary "Borg voice": "You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." Fortunately, the Federation has managed to pierce Borg defenses with a "Runabout," which will take you on a wild ride through and out of the cube, while the Borg try to snare you with tractor beams.
From Ben Mills
Well, it looks like M:I 3 is back on - with Alias creator JJ Abrams directing - so maybe that should be something to go higher up on the To Do List. Even if the film sucks as bad as the second, which is unlikely, it's still a hugely popular franchise. I'm thinking a launching flying coaster. I hear Intamin been developing the technology to make that possible. No, wait! They gotta put in a sky dive and let us all do some high-thrill version of that classic scene from the first one! That'd be sweet.
Posted via 18.104.22.168 on August 19, 2004 at 3:49 PM (MST)
Seriously tho, I was thinking the other day that they should do an attraction where you get into teams of four and have to steal something from a guarded building by climbing through air vents and stuff. Give us laser guns to "shoot" the cast members acting as guards and scientists and whatever. Have each person in the team have a different strength, like one person be the computer person, one the climber, one the weapons guy, or whatever. Kinda like a cross between a Haunted House, a Laser Tag game and an adult's Adventure Playground. I know it would be one hell of a thing to create and not have any guests injure themselves, but I just think it'd be so cool.
Alternatively... Crossroads Karaoke, anyone? Hee hee.
From Ryan Traylor
The Italian Job coaster will be at PKI and Canada's Wonderland. I think Paramount Parks need to renew their licensing of The Outer Limits and Wayne's World. The videos and prop vehicles and such in that area add so much more to it at PKD.
Posted via 22.214.171.124 on August 19, 2004 at 4:13 PM (MST)
They could move SpongeBob to the water park, and replace it with some sort of Mission: Impossible or Star Trek simulator in their action theaters.
How about a Zoolander style fashion show? Or a "School of Rock"? They also own the entire Jack Ryan series "Hunt for Red October", "Patriot Games", "Clear and Present Danger", and "The Sum of All Fears". I think the bumper cars should become something related to "Reno 911".
The other thing about Star Trek is that Paramount does have the Star Trek Experience in Vegas which contains a simulator and a 4-D Borg Experience.
And if they want to give a true stunt effect with Drop Zone, they should have a pay-per-ride where you fall off a tower into and airbag, or they hook you up to a descender rig. (similar to the Xtreme Skyflyer, except that you would not swing, you would drop straight to the ground and they would stop you about 6 feet short of the pavement.)
From Kevin Baxter
Jefferson... forgot about that Addams Family thing. Never heard what it was about. Sounds cool and not too space-swallowing. As for people not seeing The Italian Job, it made over $100M, meaning at least 10M saw it in theaters alone. They are starting preliminary work on a sequel now. If that sequel happens, then this ride is a great idea.
Posted via 126.96.36.199 on August 20, 2004 at 1:07 AM (MST)
Robert, that isn't what I've heard about Sky Captain at all. It was originally supposed to open just before Spider-Man which Paramount finally realized was a horrible idea. The film has been in post-production forever and was only recently screened for a real audience, who reportedly spazzed out. Early buzz has been so good that Paramount has already told its creators to get to work on two sequels. It's already got the geek contingent salivating. It may not be blockbustery, but it should do well, especially if reviews are good.
Jason, you were so scaring me with the Sleepy Hollow talk. But if they can make a ride on the wretched Tomb Raider films, then I suppose they can do one for this too. Though I think getting the look just right would be too costly.
But your television properties are excellent. Not just for restaurants and stuff, but how about for land themes? PGA already has a 50's theme, so why not Grease it up? A Brady Bunch land (70's look), an Addams Family area. Better than the bland stuff outside the kiddie areas.
Ben, thank you for saying that about MI2. People were going on and on about how MI1 was so hard to follow - those people are lame - but MI2 was just stoopid to follow. A whole bunch of See-how-manly-and-not-gay-Tom-Cruise-is scenes connected by some of the most predictable mask-removals ever. All followed by The Fight That Never Ends! They may STILL be fighting that thing. That movie so annoyed me.
The spy stuff is interesting, but good luck with it. How about just turning the queue into a shooting gallery/training session? Fewer lawsuits I would think.
I knew I had seen a Paramount DVD lately and couldn't remember what it was until you brought up Reno 911, Ryan. Not the most famous series yet, but it does have rabid fans. So a smaller makeover, like your bumper car suggestion, is a good one. Otherwise I don't think its humor would translate well to an attraction. Though this would be another good show for the audience participation show I suggested. People would have a chance to act really goofy, which could be entertaining.
The Jack Ryan movies are also interesting, but how would they translate? Red October is really the only thing I can come up with, say an Alien Encounter set in a submarine. That could work.
Keep 'em coming.
From Chuck Campbell
Here's a quick thought. PKD does use Hanna-Barbera characters in its Kidsville section, and I wonder if they have the right to use Johnny Quest (the first season is out on DVD). Talk about a source for all kinds of chase-related attractions. And it has the coolest cartoon theme music.
Posted via 188.8.131.52 on August 20, 2004 at 5:38 AM (MST)
From Robert OGrosky
Im glad you have heard good things Kevin, because i havent heard good things about SkyCaptain. A movie that is moved out of its initial release date is rarely good news and with a movie that has a production budget of 70 million(before the extnded post production)per box officemojo and marketing costs which usually are about 1/2 to 1/3 of the production cost the movie will need to make about 115 million or more too just break even and mid Sept is not the time of year that big money making movies are released.
Posted via 184.108.40.206 on August 20, 2004 at 11:27 AM (MST)
So i guess we will see how this movie does.
From Matt Fugate
Where did you find out they were going to put The Italian Job where the Antique Cars are? It doesnt make much sense in the Coney Mall part of the park.
Posted via 220.127.116.11 on August 20, 2004 at 11:35 AM (MST)
From TH Creative
Bull's Eye Mr. Baxter!
Posted via 18.104.22.168 on August 20, 2004 at 2:24 PM (MST)
I know for a fact that Paramount Parks creative types have toured the sets for the Lemony Snicket films and that a suggestion for a ride based on the series has been floated.
I hope the Lemony Snicket films are as wonderful as the books ... but I am afraid it may lack the literary quality that have made the books so wonderful. Afterall the stories of the Baudelaires have a narrative presence that may be difficult to convey in a film. Especially a film that is being promoted as a Jim Carrey vehicle.
On the other hand, a theme park dark ride could provide a solid creative team with that added dimension that cannot be conveyed via film.
From Derek Potter
The antique cars closed last Sunday. If you go in September of during Halloween, you will probably see some construction. No word yet on where the tiques will go yet.
Posted via 22.214.171.124 on August 20, 2004 at 9:35 PM (MST)
A few years back, the Action FX theater had a James bond sim ride. The original film there was Days of Thunder. PKI has nothing in the way of Star Trek, and Addams Family was in the running for next years themed coaster. Italian Job got the nod instead.
There are a lot of possibilities for Paramount to go with. I wouldn't necessarily look for them to stick with their new films for theming purposes. There are plenty of classics out there that they can work with. I think that they should just move the antique cars, and retheme them to the Godfather....you gotta have a Godfather themed ride for the guys.
A rumor that has been going around in PKI circles is that International Street, the entrance area to the park with the Eiffel Tower, could be rethemed as Hollywood Blvd in the near future.
From Kevin Baxter
The only hope I have for the Lemony Snicket movie(s) is if they have a droll narrator reciting lines from the book. A good sign is that Daniel Handler (aka Lemony) wrote most of the script. So now it's up to director Brad Silberling and Jim Carrey. Silberling hasn't directed anything better than mediocre, so that could be scary. And we've already seen Carrey ruin Dr Seuss; let's hope he doesn't do the same to Mr Snicket.
Posted via 126.96.36.199 on August 21, 2004 at 3:53 AM (MST)
As for Sky Captain... September isn't usually considered a dumping ground. If they truly expected nothing from the movie, they would have buried it in late August. There are quite a few movies that have done very well in September, like Sweet Home Alabama and Barbershop, to name two very recent ones. But September does tend to be a time for cheaper, more adult-oriented movies, so this move IS a little strange.
Maybe they decided it would do much better with an adult audience than summer's teens. With Gwyneth and Jude and Angelina, this doesn't exactly skew to the MTV crowd. Which might also explain why they didn't move it to late October through December, where family films usually land.
Maybe the director was telling the truth when he begged to be taken far away from Spider-Man 2. One thing's for sure, it couldn't do worse in September than it would have done in June.
Also, I have Googled the thing all over the place and can NOT find any bad buzz on it. There are forum posters who say "iT looKs lyKe cRap" but every one who has seen it in one of its previews has liked it or loved it. That doesn't mean it will get people into the theaters, but it sounds like it will get good word of mouth if it does.
Actually, Paramount did start using Star Trek this summer at Carowinds with the Borg Assimilator (Stealth) coaster, though the name is about it...
From steve lee
Regarding Sky Captain, I read a review of an early draft for the script (not some AICN crap, a review in Creative Scriptwriting magazine) that suggested that there were some serious issues that had the potential to fail miserably onscreen.
Posted via 188.8.131.52 on August 22, 2004 at 7:36 PM (MST)
Regarding Lemony Snicket, I have not read the books, but is Snicket the narrator? If so, Jude Law has the role.
Regarding the Borg coaster at Carowinds, I have to argue that the theming there is much better than just slapping the name Star Trek on it. The sound around the coaster as well as the large Borg sphere are welcome thematic additions in a park that has way too little theming otherwise.
Regarding the actual friggin' topic, I have one serious question regarding all the calls for Paramount to do dark rides (and I'm on that list as well): do they have the technological know-how to do it? I've never seen anything really animatronic at a Paramount park (not counting Scooby Doo's tail outside of PKD's haunted mansion), so I wonder if they can afford it? Or am I being too Disney/Universalesque in my idea of what a dark ride is?
And Kevin? Carrey didn't ruin Seuss. He may have put a serious hurting on the man, but he didn't ruin it. Mike Myers, on the other hand....
From Kevin Baxter
You're right, Steve. Ron Howard ruined Seuss. Carrey ruined the Grinch.
Posted via 184.108.40.206 on August 23, 2004 at 2:11 AM (MST)
I would assume Paramount doesn't have the ability to ever do something like Spider-Man, Men in Black or Tower of Terror. But there isn't anything that says they can't create a dark ride to rival Cat in the Hat or It's a Small World or even Pirates of the Caribbean minus a lot of animatronics.
Moneywise, I would assume $50M would be the limit, which is another reason they can't do anything major. It's not like they need to do anything innovative either. Tomb Raider is just a gussied-up flat ride. The Italian Job Stunt Track is just a coaster with a theme.
Paramount could stick to the staples of the amusement parks but theme them up and they would do fine. That's what the two Busch Gardens parks have done, and done well.
From V Pickard
It makes me wonder what kind of marketing Paramount has if all of us can come up with what I would consider 'Billion Dollar' ideas. My first visit to PKI was last summer and I was rather disappointed. I was expecting the park, water area and camping to be themed according to Paramount movies and/or TV shows. Although there are some themed rides, Islands of Adventure has proved that 'All Around' themeing is what sells. Then that brings up the discussion between amuzement and theme parks :) These are all great ideas..someone should jump on the 'Bikini Bottom' idea! :)
Posted via 220.127.116.11 on August 23, 2004 at 9:28 AM (MST)
From steve lee
Well, I know that for me I want the themed stuff - but by the very fact that we're all on this website, I think we fall into a different category than Joe Six-Pack who takes his kids to a park so they can ride some roller coasters while he checks out girls around the waterpark.
Posted via 18.104.22.168 on August 24, 2004 at 9:37 AM (MST)
My nearest Paramount park is Carowinds. Their nearest competition is Six Flags Over Georgia, which is several hours away. Without direct competition, Carowinds doesn't NEED to do anything special with theming - they're the only game in town.
I thought the theming at King's Dominion was far better than Carowinds. They're both Paramount Parks, right? So why is one themed better than the other? Maybe it has to do with Busch Gardens Williamsburg being about an hour away (I decided against doing a trip report, because I realized midway through that I was gushing about BGW way too much).
Essentially, I think you hit it on the head when you made the "theme park"/"Amusement park" statement. I don't want to open that can of worms. That's almost like debating a film versus a movie.
From Chuck Campbell
One thing to keep in mind is that Paramount didn't build any of these parks--they bought preexisting parks. I don't know who built the original Kings Dominion or Kings Island, but Marriot was initially responsible for the Great America parks. (I grew up in the San Joaquin Valley of California, where some old timers still refer to Paramount's Great America as "Marriot's.")
Posted via 22.214.171.124 on August 24, 2004 at 2:22 PM (MST)
So, that should explain, in part, why Paramount hasn't gone full tilt with the movie themeing--they started by playing the cards they were dealt (or bought). I'm glad they've finally started forging ahead.
From Robert Niles
Taft Broadcasting in Cincinnati developed Kings Island then Kings Dominion and also acquired Carowinds from the family that built that park. The theme park division of the company was later renamed Kings Entertainment, then was swallowed up by Viacom in the early 1990's.
Posted via 126.96.36.199 on August 24, 2004 at 2:44 PM (MST)
Kings Entertainment got the option to buy the Santa Clara Great America after Marriott sold it.
From Derek Potter
I think that each individual park's focus on theming and big dollar ideas will depend on their marketplace. Great America has the California marketplace, but it's one of the most stripped-down parks of the chain. For them to realize the themed vision of Paramount Parks and compete with all of the major park chains in the area would take a lot of money. Whether they pursue heavy theming with Great America or not is still in question. Carowinds is in a thin marketplace, with SFoG and the Virginia parks being their nearest competition, all a longer drive. Kings Dominion is an hour away from Busch Gardens, and not too far away from Six Flags America. Kings Island has Geauga Lake, Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom, the rising star Holiday World, and Cedar Point, all within a few hours. PKI is slowly separating itself from the marketplace by incorporating more and more theming within it's walls. Kings Island appears to be getting the biggest push from Paramount Parks at this time. Who knows, maybe they are cooking something big up at Great America. Does anyone know what's going on out there??
Posted via 188.8.131.52 on August 26, 2004 at 5:33 AM (MST)
From Robert OGrosky
Kevin B- 5.1 million for Sky Captain on its first day has BOMB written all over it, so after its unsuccessful run is done i guess we dont have to worry about sequels do we!!!
Posted via 184.108.40.206 on September 18, 2004 at 2:39 PM (MST)
70 million to make or more and when you add in another 30/40 for pr this is a money loser big time!!!
From Kevin Baxter
You have an interesting definition of the word "bomb," Robert. This isn't summer, so Friday totals won't compare to weekend totals, but the film is still on track to make about $20M, which is what was expected. Probably not as much as what was wanted, but that's where everybody put it, and it is probably what it would have gotten in summer too.
Posted via 220.127.116.11 on September 18, 2004 at 3:26 PM (MST)
But your $70M comment is way off base. The film cost $70M, but Paramount acquired domestic rights for a paltry $40M. So they should have no problems making their money back. Whether it gets to $100M is another story, but this film should do very well on the global market and even better on DVD. Remember that this isn't Universal or Sony or any of the other biggies out there who expect to hit $100M with half their movies. Paramount is a minor player and doesn't hit $100M that often. So when it does, they remember.
Furthermore, if it does get in the range of $100M, it wouldn't be the first film that wasn't a massive blockbuster that Paramount has themed a ride to in its parks. The Wild Thornberrys thing didn't make crap, Days of Thunder was only a mild hit and Drop Zone was a bomb and a half!
Paramount seems to be going more for movies that would make good rides rather than movies that were great. Otherwise, explain Tomb Raider, which was based on films NOBODY liked.
If Sky Captain does hit $100M, expect sequels (if Paramount continues to get it cheap) and talks of theme park rides. And that's what's important, right?
From Robert Niles
Well, to be fair, Wild Thornberrys established itself as a TV show, not a movie franchise, and it delivers quite nicely as such among youngsters, so it's an appropriate theme for a kiddie area.
Posted via 18.104.22.168 on September 18, 2004 at 8:37 PM (MST)
From Robert OGrosky
I wasnt aware that Paramount only put up 40 mil.. so while they may break even if lucky, a movie that "may" make 20 mil. is a box office bomb when the total costs are in the 100/110 mil. range , boxoffice prophets.com is guessing only 14.8 mil for the weekend and boxofficeguru.com was preidcating about 23 nmil. before its opening.
Posted via 22.214.171.124 on September 18, 2004 at 9:24 PM (MST)
Its pretty sad when a supposed great/good movie cant outdo what Resident Evil did in it's opening weekend, escpecially when you factor in all the pr the movie got with its supposed great staring cast(except for Jude Law who is good).
From Kevin Baxter
The math is a little weird for this one, as the film will do far better internationally than it will in North America. Nowadays, big movies will make more of their money overseas. In fact, the domestic release can often break even here and the global revenue will all be gravy. I predict this will be huge overseas. If utter crap like Van Helsing and The Alamo can be international hits, then I don't see why this wouldn't be...
Posted via 126.96.36.199 on September 19, 2004 at 2:08 AM (MST)
... Mainly because I just got back from seeing it. I wasn't overwhelmed. I wasn't underwhelmed. What's the middle ground? The film is beautiful, which is why it will sell overseas, but the biggest problem is Gwyneth Paltrow. She is seriously miscast here. Kerry Conran was clearly writing a Rosalind Russell type character, but Paltrow can't pull off the argument scenes without coming off as a total harpy. Not to mention a more-than-occasional dumbass. People clapped and cheered whenever any misfortune befell her, which is good for the film, but bad for the supposed romance between her character and Jude Law's. Angelina Jolie and Paltrow should have switched roles, as Jolie has far more chemistry with Law. But, if I was casting, I would have gone with someone a little ditzier. Lisa Kudrow would have been PERFECT!
There are minor problems, like a scene that looked ripped almost totally from the Lord of the Rings films. In fact, you could hear massive whispering as the scene started, undoubtedly everyone mentioning that fact. Also, some scenes last too long, while others could have definitely gone on longer. Still, the film has an absolutely uproarious final line and it never really stumbles badly, except for Paltrow's casting. And that will be dulled when the film has subtitles or dubbing overseas.
I don't think the film will hit $20M this weekend. I went to a late show and there weren't that many people there. But there was extended laughter and half the audience clapped, meaning word of mouth should be good. Releasing this film in September might help it, as its shelf life might be longer than it would have been in the summer. We'll see how much it drops next week.
As for a Paramount ride, I think it is now a must. I don't think there will be many people hating the film, and millions will certainly buy the DVDs, if for no other reason than to figure out exactly how Conran did all this stuff. If he loads up on the extras, this thing will be HUGE on the home market.
Even if it doesn't, the film's name will definitely be recognizable to most people who haven't seen the film. On top of that, the film is PERFECT for a flume coaster. It's unfortunate this wasn't a Disney or Universal film, because this could make a seriously awesome ride if proper money was spent on it. I'm not sure Paramount could pull it off on their budgets, but an attempt at Totenkopf's island would make this a 21st Century Jurassic Park.
From Robert OGrosky
The movie "only" made a estimated 16.2 miiliom and will quickly fall off the radar screen of moviegoers as more movies are released every week.
Posted via 188.8.131.52 on September 19, 2004 at 3:39 PM (MST)
It may do OK oversea's but the likelyhood of a subpar/box office disappointment or box boffice bomb being a major dvd seller is unlikely and IMHO viacom must have much more in there movie library to base a ride on that a movie that was subpar.
From Kevin Baxter
Did you NOT read the Drop Zone comment I made earlier? Check out Paramount's library on TheNumbers.com. Tell me how many films on that list could turn into attractions. It's not like The Italian Job was the most major hit in the world either.
Posted via 184.108.40.206 on September 21, 2004 at 1:56 AM (MST)
Plus, all DVDs do not sell the same. Dramas that do poorly at the box office tend to also do poorly on DVD. Special-effects extravaganzas are often a different story. The Mummy movies, including The Scorpion King weren't the biggest movies at the box office, but were some of the biggest sellers on DVD. The Rock's movie did far better on DVD, and a big reason was due to all the "extras" they screamed about in the commercials. I think this will be big, if there are all that behind-the-scenes info.
Still, it just doesn't matter. Like I said, the name would be recognizable and it would make a great ride. It wouldn't be the first non-smash to become a ride. Just look at all the non-blockbusters that are rides over at the Disney parks!
From Robert OGrosky
According to boxofficemojo.com The Mummy made 155 mill in the US and 415 worldwide.
Posted via 220.127.116.11 on September 21, 2004 at 11:27 AM (MST)
The Mummy returns 202 mill in the US and 433 mill worldwide.
And even Scorpion King which cost leeast 10 mill less to make(before inflation over the past 2 yrs) made 91 mill US and 164 mill worldwide.
SkyCaptain wont match these numbers and now was downgraded to only 15.5 mill for the weekend, so hopefully the hype over the movie and ride coming from it will have a quick end.
From Kevin Baxter
The Scorpion King only cost $10M to make????? Is that what you are saying??? Or were you attempting to say it cost $10M less than Sky Captain. The official estimate for Scorpion is $60M, which would mean about the same as Sky Captain today, which means it didn't make back its money in domestic release. And probably didn't make it back even domestically. Are you trying to claim Sky Captain can't make $160M worldwide? That's pretty much a gimme, as most similar films have all made over $100M internationally this year. But we get right back to the point you keep ignoring: Mainly that Paramount's investment is a mere $40M. (This may or may not include DVD rights. Not sure.) So the filmmakers will definitely make back their money. And since they financed this one without help, why couldn't they do the same for a sequel, which would undoubtedly be cheaper? Not that it will necessarily happen, but it is more likely than there being a Van Helsing sequel, isn't it?
Posted via 18.104.22.168 on September 22, 2004 at 9:09 PM (MST)
BUT, as I was attempting to point out, The Scorpion King did do very well on DVD, even after basically coming up even or losing money in the theaters. Which kept its name out there. So when they had a Scorpion King attraction at USH, people weren't going around going "HUH?" Same thing could easily happen to Sky Captain.
Why are you having such a friggin' problem with this anyhow? Regardless of whether the movie rocks or sucks, or whether it makes $50M or $500M, it would still make an excellent theme park ride. I don't give a rat's ass how well it does. I want to see more themed attractions at Paramount parks and here is one choice out of the very few they have. And this ride could seriously ROCK.
Deal with it!
From Chase Harrison
PKD is supossed to get a Tomb Raider Top Spin for 2005
Posted via 22.214.171.124 on October 6, 2004 at 5:56 PM (MST)