The demise of Universal Orlando
There is no question that WWoHP in 2010 changed the industry forever. It elevated Universal to a great level, and it made Disney finally wake up.
However, since then, let's be honest, it has all been DISNEY, DISNEY, DISNEY. I am a Universal fanboy, so it hurts me to say it, but I fear for the future of Universal Orlando.
I am not a fan of Studios parks, and IOA used to be so amazing, but now is actually pretty bad when you think about it.
Apart from WWoHP, you have Toon Lagoon and Seuss Landing that are both TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to a modern audience, plus cheap comic book versions of Marvel characters (too tacky these days) and a fairly immersive Jurassic Park area but it hasn't been updated to reflect Jurassic World yet...and don't get me started on the appallingly misplaced Kong attraction there.
Marvel is a problem for Universal. They need to get rid of it now. The time has come. However, they wont do that as if they did Disney would build stuff down the road and effectively kill Universal. I doubt Universal will allow that to happen. So that is a catch 22. Spider-man is my favourite attraction but it needs the movie tie-in (which of course it cant ever have).
After WWoHP, Universal needed to kill Disney. They needed another GOD IP, yet they rested on their laurels and allowed Disney to fight back. Disney purchased the IP for Marvel, Star Wars, and Avatar - while all we got from Universal was a pointless Kong attraction based on a film that is 15 years old already (and reboots are already happening) and Race Through New York with Jimmy Fallon.
Universal could never have afforded the IP for Star Wars ($4b wasn't it?), but I think Avatar was probably in their price range - Pandora would have looked perfect in either of the Universal Orlando parks, yet we now have it as part of a zoo instead.
Universal need one last killer IP (and no, LOTR is not big enough these days) to completely overhaul their parks. Otherwise I give them 10 years until they end up like Six Flags...
FWIW, Transformers should replace Marvel, Nintendo should replace Toon Lagoon, Diagon Alley should have replaced Lost Continent, and Springfield should have replaced Seuss Landing. But in fact, pretty much all of that went in the Studios park instead.
For a park that promoted IMMERSION in 2010 with Hogwarts and Hogsmeade, I find it actually quite appalling that the same park now just builds screen-based rides in studio lots (Jimmy Fallon, Fast and Furious, Transformers, even Kong).
Is there an end to Universal Orlando's demise?
Excellent concern trolling.
What are the chances Universal will get LOTR? The books have enough material to fill an entire park, but it is likely a few lands and the other half will have something else.
Universal is not going anywhere. I love Disney, but, and I am sorry if this offends anyone, Universal is much more fun for my family since we can avoid standing in line all day. We stay in a Unlimited Express Pass hotel and can get more done in one day than four days at Disney. Not to say I don't enjoy Disney. I do, but their FP+ has significantly marred our enjoyment. It is great that Disney is making these improvements, and I cannot wait for them, but with FP+ the way it is, our Orlando trip always finishes at Universal. That would not be the case with the old system. To switch gears, as a massive LOTR nerd, is there any insider information (pun intended) on theme parks? All indications I have seen is the Tolkien estate is extremely against that sort of thing, and now just have more control to prevent it. There is a great nerd T shirt that says something like "I left the Shire to join Hogwarts to lean to be a Jedi." Doubt that that could be true in Orlando.
The last time that we visited WDW was pre-FP+. That's when we made the jump to Universal APs and haven't looked back.
>>>What are the chances Universal will get LOTR?
Warner does not have the rights. The Tolkien estate has the rights, and they have made statements indicating the intent to be very protective.
"Universal is much more fun for my family since we can avoid standing in line all day. We stay in a Unlimited Express Pass hotel and can get more done in one day than four days at Disney." - been saying this for 10 years...
Chances of LOTR..Slim. Tolken made PL Travers look reasonable. He was a very difficult man (and estate).
To create a whole new idea, ESPN is actually the prime example of Disney NOT checking out the competition. On paper, ESPN is still a pretty good acquisition for Disney. It produces a well known product, the documentaries are some of the best sports journalism out there today, and they have set the bar on how sports is actually covered.
Personally we love Universal and only go to 1 Disney park every few years. So where is this demise you speak of?
LOL, the demise of Universal. I do agree that there are areas in both parks that need to be updated or revamped with a new IP,but to say that IOA and US is going the way of the Dodo is a bit of a stretch.
""Universal is much more fun for my family since we can avoid standing in line all day. We stay in a Unlimited Express Pass hotel and can get more done in one day than four days at Disney." - been saying this for 10 years..."
On my last visit to Orlando and I am a huge Disney fan, Universal was much better hands down.
Yeah, but if Universal becomes more popular, it will have lines too!
It does have lines, it just has ways to avoid them with planning. Disney used to have this with the old fast pass system. The new system only benefits the company and not the customer.
Universal is not going anywhere. Right now the 4 best parks in Orlando are definitely MK, AK, IoA, and Universal Studios. 2 Disney and 2 Universal.
Can we change the title of this tread to:
I read the title.
I went to Universal this year and I thought it was great. Wizarding World was very immersive as well as Volcano Bay. Hulk and Mummy provide some of the best coaster experiences in Florida. Universal Studios is stronger than ever before and the can only get better.
They need to get the rights to DC. Wonder when the contract with Six Flags ends.
Arthur -- they already have Transformers.
Are My Little Pony even big these days?
There's a My little Pony movie coming out on October 6th and they had a large presence at San Diego Comic Con. I think with the success of Transformers The Ride 3D, it's only right to follow up with My Little Pony and G.I. Joe based rides. In fact they should just acquire theme park rights to all Hasbro's original properties. I always felt Sci Fi is a good theme for Universal Star Trek and Alien would be good properties to base a ride on. I think a Willy Wonka ride would be great at Universal too.
The problem with Transformers is the ride video is literally the best part of the franchise. The movies are HORRIBLE, and the box office numbers are starting to reflect that, thank goodness.
"The movies are HORRIBLE, and the box office numbers are starting to reflect that, thank goodness."
(Bumblebee started production on Mon, & is scheduled for a 2018 Dec. release against Aquaman).
Universal is not going to crumble. It will continue to expand, and grow stronger. Yes, Disney is adding new attractions in the future. However, so will Universal. Harry Potter is very popular, and offers some of the best theme park attractions in the world. Transformers is an excellent ride as well. The minions are very popular. Maybe they'll build a Despicacle Me themed land?
What will actually happen:
DBCOOPER, relevant franchises such as what? Jimmy Fallon? Seuss?
I am not Clackers.
@Clackers - Transformers, Jurassic Park, Jurassic World, Nintendo, Harry Potter, The Simpsons, Despicable Me, Fast and the Furious, Marvel, to name a few. Also classics like King Kong, E.T., Dr. Seuss, and Men in Black.
Stop feeding the troll!!
Russell — you are right. Temporary troll lapse.
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