Disney's new finger scanners raise fears of 'Big Brother Mickey'
The Associated Press has an article today detailing Walt Disney World's new front gate fingerprint scanners
, and the fears that they are raising among some privacy advocates.
Unlike at other theme parks, where all you need is a ticket to gain admittance, Disney years ago began requiring a biometric finger scan, along with a ticket, to ensure that tickets were not resold, exchanged or transferred from one visitor to another. (Which raises an economic argument about whether a ticket holder ought to have the right to resell that property... but that's another topic.)
Disney's old biometric scanners "read" information about finger size and shape. But the new ones record fingerprints, making it possible for Disney to synch its data to a wide variety of databases, including the FBI's. Disney says that it is not storing fingerprint images, but privacu advocates say that making that switch would be trivial.
One final note. This story was written by students at Northwestern University (my undergraduate alma mater) as part of the Carnegie-Knight "News21" project, for which I was an advisor this summer at the University of Southern California (where I also teach).
I dont know about that...I agree that it there is a need to make sure that people dont fraud tickets, but to actually scan a fingerprint? Whats next a retinal scan and urin sample? I do feel a little uneasy about that.
I think it is good they are doing it, especially if they are taking the scans and putting them into a datebase to match up with the FBIs. If the guy standing in line behind me is a killer just released from jail, I want Disney to know he is in the park.
The economic principle behind reselling the tickets is sound. It's not your ticket...it's Disney's. You've paid for admission to the park...not for a ticket to get in. If they got this fingerprint thing down, you wouldn't even have tickets. Disney is trying to avoid having their tickets bought up and then scalped, and I do understand that position. As for the finger scan: big deal. I don't understand what there is really to be scared of. They are just using it as a way of preventing ticket fraud. It's not like their putting you on the sex-offender's watch list. I don't see the reason for being so touchy.
Plus it might be a good way to catch a terrorist!
I personally don't mind Disney scanning my finger prints. And to the best of my knowledge, re-selling tickets of any kind is illegal.
"I don't see the reason for being so touchy."
It is interesting that nobody so far really has a problem with the scanners! I thought somebody would think this was really bad, but the discussion has just begun.
Well, as I hinted in the post, I guess I'm sympathetic to those who want to be able to resell tickets, or to buy resold tickets.
I am not sympathetic to people who want to sell their unused tickets. The tickets clearly say "nontransferable" on them. By purchasing a ticket to the park, one agrees to abide by Disney's rules and regulations, including the prohibition of reselling one's ticket. Reselling tickets also results in a loss of profit for the park. Is it fair that you can experience the park without Disney benefitting? Disney, scan my fingers if you so please.
Quite frankly I could care less about the whole reselling of tickets. If they can stop it good for them. I do have the problem with my fingerprint being in disney's database. As I do with the government tapping phone lines, two different scenarios with the same result...they have information about me I dont really want them to have. I am not a criminal and am not paranoid on that front...its just the whole giving control of my info to people that I dont know that I have a problem with. I didnt think that a lot of people on here would have a problem with big brother mickey....just surprised no one else has had a problem...blinders I guess.
Doesn't Universal already use something similar?
Busch Gardens has been using this technology for the past two seasons.
It's funny. I was there for 10 days. First day they did the finger size check. The next day, it's a different scanner. I'm not sure about Epcots(I went there and it was the original, but all the others changed), but I assume it was changed as well.
Universal, as of two weeks ago, does not use any kind of biometrics. Busch uses a hand scan which just determins the size and shape of the hand. Your actual identity lies in the prints on your fingers. If disney IS storing this, it could be accessed by other people, and we have another way to steal your identity. And who will believe that you didnt buy that Lamborgini when they have your fingerprint?
I was just at Universal this week, and they had me do the fingerprint scan on the way in at both parks (I have a multi-day ticket).
Erik, no offense, but that's rediculous. I'm assuming you meant that everybody here had blinders on. That's a very arrogant position to take, if it was, indeed, your meaning.
I usually agree with you Robert, but this time I have to take the opposite side. I am completely in favor of the fingerprint and I disagree that you have paid for a ticket and you have the right to do what you want with it (ie sell the remaining days). It clearly states on the ticket (at least the one I am looking at now) that the ticket is nontransferrable.
it is a great idea for disney world because it is cool and awsome.
Woah now. I wouldn't say Big Brother is here to stay, or even that it's already everywhere. I don't want to be spied on all the time without just cause, and the constitution protects me from that. But I also don't support this concept that people have that you are entiteled to total privacy where you should have no reasonable expectation of it.
Requiring a fingerprint seems an excessive response to the problem of re-sale of tickets or whatever other rationales they are using to justify a fingerprint database.
For the record, I know that the ticket says that it is non-transferable, and that that is the term under which it is sold.
Because, of course, Disney is losing just SO MUCH MONEY from these horrible, evil ticket re-sellers! So much money that instead of posting multi-trillion dollar profits, it's only multi-million! S--t, that means they can't buy Iceland!
if you dont like what they are up too, then dont go! ive got nothing to hide. i think it is great. to help them from fraud and to secure the safety of my child. i sick in tired of everyone always trying to say that we dont have privacy, everyone google your own name and all your information is there. there is no privacy, and there is nothing that we can do about that.
One person selling their ticket to another may not sound like a big loss in profit to the park, but when 10 people do it, 100 people, 1,000 people, the park's profit really begins to decrease. Also, according to Disney, they're actually not taking a direct finger print, but rather converting it into a numerical value. Disney also does not require you to scan your fingers. They will accept photo ID if you wish.
One thing I find interesting about finger sizing and fingerprinting, that no one has mentioned another reason for doing it other than to stop reselling a ticket. What about lost or stolen tickets or as in my case, a misplaced season pass. Two years ago, my then five year old grandson wanted to get a fast pass for Buzz Lightyear at Disney World. Like all kids, he wanted to place the season passes into the machine. When the fast passes came out, he picked them up and we turned and walked away. We had only gone about a fifty feet when I asked him for the fast passes and season passes. He forgot to get the season passes out of the
Robert Miller makes an excellent point. Also, for everybody out there who is upset that big bad old Disney is trying to be a buzz kill over the money they lose to reselling and ticket fraud, remember the whole place was built on those tickets. Disney is a giant and everybody wants to come here and experience Disney World. How much do you think it costs to maintain a property that has that much appeal and make sure it keeps its magic for years? The answer is a BOATLOAD!
Again, blinders. This, for me isnt about the issue of people stealing tickets, I want them to find a way to do it. I just dont want to submit my fingerprint to do it. And for the record, I have been a disney AP holder for years...Dont have the fingerprint scan, just the stick your fingers in that takes a general scan, not a direct print. If the system doesnt take a direct reading of your print, then its not a bad idea, but the way it sounds they take a direct print which then CAN BE compared to the FBI database...the same technology used just to make sure you dont have a faulty ticket. I see that as a bit excessive. Again, I wont be part of it...and if any other park did it, you all would be all in arms, but because its for "poor old disney" trying to keep people from taking tickets, then well by golly its alright. Sorry if I see it as a bad idea.
I believe rafael guzman said it best. If you don't like waht Disney is doing, don't go there. And, as much as I disagree with Erik Yates (as I will explain), I have to give him credit for his very American position. He has said that if Disney continues these practices, and puts them into further excercise, he'll no longer be getting an AP. That's the American way.
I think the fingerprint scans are good, even if they do run them in the FBI database. It makes me feel like they are trying to protect us a little more in their park from other people in their park maybe.
Don't forget about quality control, as well. While I don't really think the Disney company would care to much about you selling your ticket to your Uncle Bill, there's no way I can think of they can permit that, while still stamping out conterfeit ticket vendors.
According to every other article that I've read, and there have been many on the subject, disney is not only the one who came up with the biometric system but they are the first to use it at this level. This goes well beyond the sizing and shape recognition, this is actual fingerprint scanning. Sure they say that it goes into a seperate database, but still a database that people have access to. Not only that but the government has contacted disney on the work it does to help them with identification solutions of problems they have of their own.
I too have a problem with a government which controls it's people. But we're not talking about government, we're talking about Disney.
And how much longer before "Jeb" and company decide that it would be a great idea to check your prints with the State Police agencies? After all felon's might be lurking in the park, or worse given Florida's rather intersting laws. Illegal voters! The slope is very slippery folks. Just because you have nothing to hide today doesn't mean it's OK to take away everyone's rights to due process.
"When you buy a ticket to an event or park, you ought to own the right to one admission to said event. If you wish not to use that admission, and to recover your payment by selling that right to someone else, why, I think you should be able to do that."
for those who dont know sea world san diego has some sort of hand scan systems for their fun cards. i dont know when this started, but there you go, like i said earlier and someone else also said, they can trace you way worse if you use a credit card. also again, if you dont like it, go some where else.
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