Theme park cast member stories: Why you have to be 40 inches tall to ride Disney's Big Thunder Mountain
You can't possibly think of a new way to get around a roller coaster's height requirement that theme park employees haven't seen before.
Lifts in the shoes? Seen it.
Spiked up hair? Nope, not gonna get ya through.
Standing on your tippie toes? Um, feet flat on the ground, please.
Begging, pleading, crying? Actually, we are the ones trying to help your child here.
That's because, as theme park employees working a roller coaster, we know what can happen when a too-short child rides a coaster.
Now, I'm start with a confession. In normal operation, we could take an infant on Walt Disney World's Big Thunder Mountain Railroad and no harm would come to the baby. I worked with cast members who could eat a bowl of cereal while riding a test train on Thunder in the morning and not spill a drop of milk. So they clearly knew the ride well enough to hold a baby securely throughout. I don't doubt that some Disney fans could do the same.
But theme parks don't establish height requirements based on a ride's normal operation. They put those in place to protect riders in case of something going wrong on the ride.
By that, I don't mean a mechanical breakdown. I mean that something happens, usually because of a guest's actions, which disrupts the normal flow of operation on the ride. What happens when a child starts crying in a train, which prevents us from dispatching it from the loading station?
With no room in the station, the train behind on the track has no place to go. So it stops out on the course, on the final block brake. And with a train on that block brake, the train behind it has to stop on the third lift. And so on.
Those "cascade" stops happen in orderly manner, and probably wouldn't make an experienced rider spill his milk (or drop a child). But what happens when a guest panics, and tries to jump out of a train while it's on a lift? It's happened, and I've seen it.
In cases like that, the operator in the coaster's control tower does a "power disconnect," shutting down power to the entire track. Any train on a lift will stop immediately. But trains that have crested their lifts will continue running, propelled simply by the free fall of gravity along the track.
To keep those trains from running into one that might be stuck on the next lift, ride designers have installed what's called a "safety brake" in front of each lift. And that is what you do not want to hit if you are shorter than 40 inches tall, or pregnant, or have a back, neck or heart condition. A safety brake can take a train running nearly 30 miles per hour to stopped in about eight feet. It's a hard, hard stop.
After the ride shut down with trains on the track, no one ever wanted to be the one assigned to go check on the guests who'd been stopped in a safety brake. Only the most experienced Thunder operators were assigned that task, and even though I worked that location for a year, I never had enough seniority to draw that thankless assignment. (I always got sent to people stuck on a lift, instead.) But I heard reports from those who did about the sore, shocked and sometimes angry guests who had to endure the misfortune of hitting the safety brakes.
Still, I never knew anyone to be hurt from hitting a safety brake, as unpleasant as that experience must have been. To me, that's testimony to the effectiveness of Disney's boarding restrictions.
So next time a cast member, team member or theme park employee stops a too-short child from getting on a ride, don't criticism him or her, okay? Don't make them the bad guys. The more you know about how roller coasters work, the more you might appreciate the important work that the folks at the front of the queue do everyday.
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I was wondering..... because I have heard you say before at Disney you were not suppose to send out a coaster with a crying child.... what happens if the child was not crying at first, but upon start of the ride the child starts crying? Do they stop the ride for the child, or does the child just learn their lesson the hard way?
If the train's out of the station, they're going through the ride, though we will watch in the monitors for signs that the child's trying to get out.
All very interesting information, Robert. Thanks for sharing. It makes you wonder about those idiot parents who try breaking the rules to get their children on board or the ones who force a terrified child onto a ride.
I know its bad, but my mom sometimes dragged us on rides crying. Then again, it was Alien Encounter (no real danger there) and Tower of Terror (could be a problem). Either way, we NEVER thought about leaving or escaping the ride while it was in motion.
The Soarin' height requirement comes from the evacuation system in place in case the ride units get stuck in their raised positions, from what I'm told. Perhaps a current or former Soarin' CM can provide details.
Thanks, Robert. If only everyone entering a park understood this concept. Sure enough, every time I hear complaints about height restrictions, the whiner always has an opinion along the lines of, "It's not like my son will fall out of the train if he's an inch short. This ride doesn't even have any loops."
When I rode the Free Fall at Six Flags over Goergia the first and only time..... If crying would have gotten me out of the ride at the top before we dropped..... I may have considered trying to make some tears come out.
Back in 1986, When we took our first big (every aunt, uncle, grandparent. cousin) family vacation (and I was in first grade), it amazes me to this day that my mom was allowed to keep me in her lap to ride Space Mountain. I have always believed and understood that there is always a point to any rules/regulations. Do people really have the right to complain? I would say No. With the internet, you can find out on your own if your child is the correct height to go on rides at a theme park.
Splash Mountain is the same way. On a normal ride, there's absolutely no reason you couldn't take a baby on it. However, if there happens to be an E-stop or a Power Disconnect while a log is going down the big drop, a brake at the bottom will activate and bring the log to a stop almost instantly. It doesn't happen often as the timing has to be just right, but I've watched it on the monitors in tower. You do not want to have a baby in your arms or a child on your lap if you happen to be in the log that gets caught.
This is why we have child swap tickets. Thank god for that.
The worst thing in the world was having to deny a child that made it all the way through the line. Many times if we were short staffed, they would pull cast members from other areas to Space Mountain to be greeters(that was all they could do since they were not trained to operate the ride). Most of the time, these greeters would not enforce the height requirement because they either got too overwhelmed or they just didn't want to have to confront the guest and knew we would deal with it inside. These were always the worst parents to deal with. Most of them knew they shouldn't have gotten through, but they still felt like they should get to ride since they made it that far. I didn't often get irate guests that I couldn't calm down without calling management, but when I did get one of these inconsolable guests, it was usually due to this issue.
Things I've seen at greeter at the Tower of Terror:
This June I saw a family drag a girl(she was about 9 or 10) onto Rock 'n' Roller Coaster at DHS. Yeah she was big enough to go on the ride but she CLEARLY didn't want to get on to the point of begging her parents not to, since she was a bit older she was trying very hard to hold back her tears. Things got worst once she saw the take-off in the alleyway. They made her get on but seriously why would parents do that.
Now that I work a roller coaster and have to perform height checks almost daily, I can relate to Niles and all the problems that height checks create. I've been cussed out numerous times, threatened, and more, all because a parent's child doesn't meet the 48-inch height requirement. It's a pity that parents put a roller coaster ride before their own child's safety, and it's also sad that they lose their temper and use such a "colorful" vocabulary right in front of them as well. I've never considered an emergency stop being one of the main reasons for the height requirement, but next time I have to deal with a "Why can't he ride?", I may just have to use that answer.
I think it's really good that the welfare of the rider is given such consideration.
These are the same people who tell us they are willing to sign a waiver to ride a steel rollercoaster during a thunderstorm.
I once had a father say to me that he was willing to sign a waiver stating that if his child( that was two inches too short) got hurt or died on the ride he would not sue. We told him no.
I don't get alot of parents. Rules regarding who can and can't ride certain rides are there for a reason and it is not the ride operator who makes up the rules, so don't take it out on him. Also, those who want to force their crying child onto a ride should be slapped upside the head. If you look at the alot of the accidents at theme parks, they happened because someone disregarded the rules or went into a place that he shouldn't have gone into.
I am a parent who is a true "rule follower" and one year, we knew our son was going to be "very close" to being the right height for Rock 'n Roller Coaster. Upon arriving at the queue we politely asked the CM outside to carefully measure our son. The CM did so and to my eye, my son just barely cleared the required height (and when I say just barely, I mean by the width of a sheet of paper). We asked this CM at least three times if she was sure that he was the correct height, knowing that he would be measured again inside. She assured us that he was fine so we set off to stand in line with mys on being so excited that he could finally ride. Low and behold, once we got inside, the CM decided that he was not, in fact, tall enough. Needless to say, my son was devasted that he could not ride and my daughter was very upset that he couldn't join her-it ruined the ride for everyone on that day and basically ruined the day.
As the father of 3 young children, I have never gotten upset about height requirements (disappointed, but not upset) at Disneyland. BUT at Knott's I was upset. Not upset at the employees (it's not their fault, they don't make the rules), but upset at management. At a time when my oldest son (who was about 6 at the time) was able to ride almost EVERYTHING at Disneyland, he was not able to ride a single coaster at Knott's. I understand that he can't ride on Silver Bullet (he still can't a few years later), but Jaguar (SERIOUSLY?!?). My son could ride on EVERY coaster at Disneyland (Space, Big Thunder, Splash, Soaring, just NOT CA Screaming), but NOTHING at Knott's, what's up with that?!?
Consider Knott's keeping your son off Jaguar its contribution to his development as a theme park fan. What a waste of track that is.
OH gawd this article brings bad memories. I used to work as a ride operator in the kids area of Busch Gardens... and at the front gate where we would pre-measure the kids and give them wrist bands so they already knew which rides they were tall enough to go on...
I can't stand the idea of a child being forced onto a ride they don't want to ride because the rest of their family wants to ride or someone in thier family thinks that is the way to make them like it. Although I have ridden plenty of roller coasters and rides in the past, I suffer from anxiety and the thought of already not wanting to ride the ride and then someone making you ride it just sounds horrible. I can imagine many times it does not result in a pleasurable experience for the child.
Sorry Robert but I have to disagree with you over Jaguar at Knott's. It's not the most thrilling ride out there. That's true. But I remember taking my sister-in-law to Knott's and getting her to go on Jaguar. A woman in her 30's who had never ridden a coaster of any kind was , understandably, not going to jump in on something like the Kraken or Hulk. So she rode it and gained confidence from it. Now she goes on most things .Maybe not Kraken or Hulk yet but you never know.
Last year I took my daughter on Goofy's Barnstormer. She missed the height requirement by an eigth of an inch. The Disney Cast Member said, "Sorry, you almost made it." Then he looked at her sad face and said, "wait a minute." He leaned over, adjusted my daughter's hat by raising it a little, measured her again and suddenly she was tall enough to ride. "There, that's better," the guy said then he patted me on the back and then we went off on the ride.
Rocks, can you even think of a worse thing to put into your child's shoes to make them tall enough to ride? Yup, I saw that one time. As to height limits, size limits and other factors such as no solid casts; the ride manufactuers have rider requirements which must be enforced by the park or company operating the ride, according to ASTM standards and certain state rules. So some of the rides come into a park with the limiations that seem to restrictive but they are directly from the manufacturer and that would account for differences between seemingly similar rides if they are made by different companies.
I would imagine that the parks insurance companies require strict adherance to safety rules as well. There are people who would sue, even if they are the ones breaking the rules. One mistake by park employees could cost these companies plenty if the wrong person gets hurt.
As we all know, there are rotten, rotten parents out there. Last time I was at WDW (c. Sept 2002), we rode the Alien Encounter. Once the ride had started, I could hear a little girl (sounded like she was under 5) screaming bloody murder. And it is easy to tell when a cry is filled with terror. She screamed like that the entire time. At the end of it, i turned around to look, and the *%$#@! she was with was laughing his head off at her! she was still in full terror and he was laughing at her. Hope he still thought it was funny when she didn't sleep for 6 months or would never ride anything again! Seriously, what is wrong with people?
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