2012 Best Attraction Tournament: Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey vs. Carousel of Progress
The number one seed makes its tournament debut this morning in 2012 Theme Park Insider Tournament
Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey earned a first round bye as a result of its standing atop the Theme Park Insider reader ratings. But from here on in, Harry's got to earn his way into the next round via your votes. Standing in the way of the wizarding crew today is one Disney's classic Audio Animatronic attractions.
Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey - at Universal's Islands of Adventure
Carousel of Progress - at Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom
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Later today: We return to the Best Roller Coaster bracket, as The Voyage takes on Apollo's Chariot.
Potter is my favorite ride on the planet. CoP is an outdated relic.
I know there are MANY Carousel of Progress lovers, but after riding it a few times, it is on my rare MUST NOT DO list. I appreciate it, but I can't handle sitting in there anymore.
Guys i'm saying we all get together today and pull off the upset of the tournament in honor of Robert Sherman. Lets take the Carousel Of Progress all the way to the end and make it the winner!
This is the reason 16 seeds never beat 1 seeds.
I voted COP in honor of Robert Sherman. May he rest in peace.
CoP in honor of Robert Sherman. Now if Disney really wants to honor him, they'll give this thing a refresh. especially the last scene.
A vote for Carousel of Progress today is a a vote for "why Disney fans can't have nice things."
Brilliantly said, Robert. I don't see how voting for a now sub-par attraction over what is easily one of the greatest theme park attractions ever built honors a Disney legend like Robert Sherman. There are many ways to honor the man. Voting for COP is not one of them.
To be fair, WDW's execs are going to default to the "keep an old relic barely going" choice over real advances regardless of this vote. The rest of Disney, maybe not, they seem to care, but WDW just doesn't get it. They fought the Star Tours update, for crying out loud. And Disco Yeti - can't forget that. I kinda feel like WDW is a Disney parks museum - I can go there once every few years to get my Peoplemover, Country Bears, CoP, Swiss Family Treehouse fix, then go back to a real Disney park that is making the effort to keep up.
Robert, Disney is about classics, not new, hi-tech rides with screens.
Dominick, do you mean like Star Tours?
No, I mean like FJ. Star Tours was an update to the classic.
I'd wager that Forbidden Journey's animatronic spiders, dragon, and dementors could take out the animatronic COP family in a robotic fight any day... Not to mention Journey's animatronic whomping willow that literally sends riders beyond flat on their back. The screen portions of Journey are just a part of the ride and even those moments have the rider being moved in ways that no other ride has done as you swoop over and below things and dodge around in moves that make Soarin' seem almost as antiquated as COP.
I love the Harry Potter attraction. I would like to see the lighting inside the ride improved. The video screens seem blurry and very dim. I understand that they didn't want the transition from the video dome screens into the physical sets to have drastic lighting differences, but, some tweaking would be appreciated. The Carousel of Progress needs to be moved from it's current location since it does not fit into the theme of the land.
In fact, here are the high-tech rides at WDW and UO
very well said Robert even universal has rides that could be replaced with newer themes such as e.t. And i believe they could do a lot at disney too i would like to see them update a lot of there rides even the backlot tour could be updated or re imagined.
"Disney is about classics, not new, hi-tech rides with screens."
Duncan, ET is never leaving Universal.
Dominick, so "Star Tours: The Adventures Continue" is not high tech, not even with HD video (on screens), digital 3D (on screens), improved motion simulation, and multiple combinations of adventures (shown on screens)? Wow! I never knew that primitive technology could look so good! Oh, did I mention that they use screens?
James, they use high-tech video projectors and AAs. Did I mention there were AAs?
There is no reason we can't have both. Classic attractions and super high tech whiz bang attractions. Now what is unacceptable is that Disney is not maintaining their classic attractions COP and Splash Mt. are two prime examples. No excuse for that, they have the money. They change high prices. Disney, keep all the attractions new and old in tip top shape!
After all, the title of the contest is "2012 Best Attraction Tournament", not "Tributes to the Greats of the Genre". Get real. A vote for the wrong reason is a vote against the integrity of the contest & this site's integrity. It's a shame Sherman passed away, but if he would have passed away four weeks ago, would you Sherman voters still be voting for an attraction that doesn't even belong in the discussion of Best Theme Park Attraction?
Dominick, I am trying to follow your reasoning here, but it's a bit contradictory. You said that Disney is about classics, not high-tech stuff, then you say that Star Tours is a classic, but it is also a high-tech attraction. Isn't it possible to be both?
HP is indeed a great ride, but it is an 2011 spectacle, nothing more! CoP is a show that stand times! in the early days It told us about technology in the future, now it tells us about how technology symplifies our life now! It is an timeless attraction...
This Harry Potter fan voted for COP, since I haven't been on FJ. I liked Carousel of Progress, as did my family on our 1970's visits. I've never heard a bad word about FJ, and I know it will win, and thus didn't need my vote. And I will admit being influenced by the pro-Sherman TPI folks urging us to "occupy" this bracket.
I think I'm lost in the logic of this argument. Disney is all about classic, hi-tech rides but Universal is all about hi-tech rides with screens? I think I'm missing something here...
Okay, I prefer to avoid Dom-baiting, but there are just a few inconsistencies here that I've GOT to point out....
"Dom-baiting"...I love that!
I love Carousel of Progress; this contest is rigged! There's no way it can win!
You wouldn't think this would be a tough vote, but I absolutely love Carousel...but Forbidden is just amazing.
Melanie Howe says:
What a can of worms you've opened up Robert! I suspect it's partly because of the way you've structured this year's contest that has had us voting on such strange combinations/choices but I also suspect that people on here are confusing 'best' with 'most technologically advanced'.
It's rather hard to argue with reasoning like that....(David, I agree with you 100%. I was referring to Dominick)
I agree 100% David.
CoP got my vote, but only because:
I voted CoP because I hate Harry Potter. Not the ride...just the franchise in general. I have no basis for this hatred, I'm just like that.
Even a perfectly maintained CoP is never going to match the thrills offered by "BENCH: THE RIDE", however, CoP gets my vote today just because I have grown weary with all the Harry Potter chatter. And hey, who wouldn't like to see a 16 seed beat a 1? Of course, after the 1 is out of the tournament the rest of the contest is a major joke, but it would be fun while it happened! We can worry about tomorrow tomorrow!
I'm sorry, did Dom call someone "kid?" Heh.
Me too, Mike. "Now is the time...." is the only song I remember as a kid and I remember being shocked when I found out "Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow" was the "real" song.
I can't agree that Disney is about "classics" and not "high tech" when you have World of Color (high definition water screens), the entire new Fantasyland at WDW (high tech interactive everything), Winnie the Pooh @ Tokyo Disney (trackless!!!), the new attractions in HK Disney (tons of innovations), and the upcoming Carsland. Heck, I'll even include stuff like Turtle Talk with Crush, Tower of Terror, and Soarin. Breaking it down to the basics, every attraction is an update on previous ideas, but with new technology including Star Tours.
I'm a hugh fan of CoP having seen the original at the '64-'65 Worlds Fair. But, last month I rode HPFJ and was blown away. Being blown away trumps sentiment.
Melanie, I was half-tempted to say something about the "kid" comment, but something told me that, if you wanted to respond to him and put him in his place about that condescending comment, you could do so without any help from anyone.
I voted for CoP not out of spite, or to encourage Disney's Imagineers to be lazy, but simply because it's an attraction I actually enjoy. I found HPFJ to be the most overrated ride I've ever experienced. (The Voyage is a close second.) The ride vehicles were too close to the screens for my eyes to focus, and the ride's movement was way too intense. (And I'm a thrill-ride junkie!) I left feeling disoriented and nauseated. I really don't see why everyone rates this ride so highly. The queue is awesome; the ride itself, not so much. (Oh, and Mike and Melanie, I was also a "Now is the Time" kid! I still miss that song!)
I'd vote for anything over Potter. Today it's Carousel of Progress.
I got a chuckle at that Melanie.
I'm surprised that the voting isn't more lop-sided than this. Carousel of Progress is a good attraction, but really can't compare to the thrilling ride experience on the cutting edge FJ. I think some people just voted for Carousel because they've never experienced the Potter ride.
Sigh. This is making me long for the simpler days of TSI vs. Haunted Mansion.
I think what we are seeing here with the voting is what I like to call the Yankee effect. Even though I am not a Yankee fan (I am a Cardinals fan) everyone that is not a Yankees fan hates them with a passion and wants to see any other team beat them. That I believe is what is going on with FJ today. Some people hate Harry Potter and everything it stands for and even though they know that FJ is the best (or at least top 3) ride out there right now they what to see it go down.
Bring on the coasters!!!!!!!!!
Agreed Brent. Or in Basketball Terms, maybe the Laker effect. Or Red Wing effect. All-Blacks effect. Man-U effect. etc. etc. etc. I get what you're puttin down!
Someone's favorite ride doesn't have to be the best, most high tech ride. Someone's favorite ride can be whatever a person likes. I voted for CoP. I have never been to any Universal park and I have never had any interest in Harry Potter.
My vote goes to fj because is one of the best theme park attractions ever and the hight tech is one of the best
This is my problem with this match up is that: COP is a show it's even in its introduction "the longest running show" in America, its in guinness book of world records as the most performances of a show.
I would love to see Carousel of Progress beeing incorperatid with Walt Disney: One Man's Dream. These two make a wonderfull and charming museum experiance.
yea your are right cop is a show not a ride. why is it even in this section
Poor Robert, this whole tournament must be one never-ending migraine for you. In the first round, 95% of the comments are "Why isn't this ride in it?" In the second round, it primarily changes to "These attractions are completely different and can't be compared!" I'm excited for what the 3rd round of comments will bring!
@Brent Mooney So the Yankees are like Manchester United? I will understand a few more US sports references on all the US television shows I watch.
The reason why COP is a ride is because you move through the actual performance.
CoP a better attraction than Forbidden Journey? Give me a break!
Tim: Well said!!!
@Tim I wish you were right about the industry paying attention, but I am not so sure. I have been harping on the pathetic state of Everest's Yeti in this annual tournament for as long as I can remember, and he's only gotten worse! Neither of these companies give a hoot about what "we" think, because the Disney, Universal, and Potter Fanboys and girls will keep going to the parks no matter what happens. We are the exception not the rule, so why not have a little fun along the way?
I voted for Carousel of Progress. Although I'm a fan of Harry Potter, I feel COP is a classic attraction that I agree needs some TLC and a nice update on the last scene, but I still make sure I try and ride this attraction everytime I visit Magic Kingdom.
Now, taking Tim's side, is it also possible that Disney could read all this CoP love and realize the attraction deserves to be properly maintained? So voting for CoP could lead to positive change... Just saying, there's always another way to spin things in a battle of opinions.
Here's the deal, as I see it.
The only message I am trying to send is that CoP is a beloved classic that deserves some amount of respect. I don't mind it losing this vote, in fact it should lose, but it does not need to be embarrassed. Everyone likes a good game, not a HM vs TSI slaughter.
My daughter calls it the "Carousel of Boredom".
I don't usually vote when I haven't been on either ride, but in this case I did...for Harry Potter. Why? One, I don't think Carousel of Progress looks nearly as good as Forbidden Journey, as it is old and outdated, and two...Carousel of Progress is not a ride, IT IS A SHOW! I know what criteria was used to determine which bracket an attraction was placed into, but I would think if the attraction page on this website calls it an "animatronic show" it would be in the show bracket and if it is called a "simulator" it would be in the ride bracket (hence why I don't agree with Soarin's placement either). I guess it is partly annoyance, but I really don't want to see an average show that (in my opinion) is wrongly placed beat out what is widely considered one of the best dark rides of all time.
James Rao, well said!
Whenever anybody says classic and Disney in the same sentence (especially Dominick), I just cringe because I equate it to whenever somebody says, "It's the principle of the thing!" I've lived long enough to know that whenever somebody throws out that phrase, they are just trying to justify an utterly irrational behavior or opinion. My Dad used it all of the time - especially when he was flat out wrong, and I always wanted to ask what principle he was referring to but I valued the avoidance of pain on my rear end much more so I never said it.
70 comments. Who knew CoP could generate such fierce debate? Well played.
While I have not been on Forbidden Journey, and have been on (if that is what you can call it) the Carousel of Progress, I voted for FJ. Normally, that goes against my principles, as I do not vote for attractions I have not been on. But, COP is, well, really bad. Bad enough for me to say they should replace it. It exists to give people an AC break (or, on rainy days, some time to dry off.)
Great.... More Dominick and the "rides with screens" rant. He is like a corrupted MP3 (or broken record for the 40 somethings). While we are at it, let's discuss Family Guy, a Nintendo Land at UO instead of a HP expansion at Jaws and South Park.
Tim, most theme park fans understand what makes CoP so special, therefore the word "classic" is used to summarize those known qualities in one overarching word. Do we really need to spell it out every time?
James, I've been riding CoP (Disneyland and MK) since I was 10 years old. That's over 40 years of riding it, and I ride it every time I go to the park. Two reasons why:
I don't disagree at all with your Tomorrowland assessment. Go check out some of my responses to those all too frequent "what would you like to see Disney do next" threads and you'll see me soundly thumping Tomorrowland (and Adventureland) left and right.
James, when I consider the points you made about how CoP has impacted the development of the modern immersive theme park ride, I guess it does deserve the "classic" moniker. Unfortunately, I let my overall general disgust with the state of Tomorrowland and the Magic Kingdom keep me from holding an objective view of CoP. I just wish that the Disney brass would remember that progress means moving forward and not being stuck in place.
Tim, how about this: CoP should be renamed to something like
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