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Disney Previews Fresh Detail for Toy Story Land

April 20, 2016, 10:48 AM · After focusing yesterday on its new offerings for the summer, Walt Disney World's promotional team this morning switched its attention to next year and beyond. Pandora: The World of Avatar is coming to Disney's Animal Kingdom next year, with Toy Story Land and Star Wars Land to follow at Disney's Hollywood Studios at some point after that.

Nothing Disney promoted this morning will surprise anyone who has been following these projects for the past several years. But Disney did fill in some fresh detail about Toy Story Land.

This is the project that's going in on the old Studio Backlot Tour site at Disney's Hollywood Studios. The idea is that we are in Andy's backyard — reduced to the size of a toy — and playing with the other toys on some of the contraptions that Andy has built.

On the Slinky Dog Dash roller coaster, we are riding on a track that Andy has built with his "Mega Coaster Play Kit," riding on the back of Slinky Dog, whom Andy has put on the track to test his stretching limits. Here is a concept video, with some computer-animated POV of the new ride:

Disney also showed concept art and a name for Toy Story Land's spinner ride: Alien Swirling Saucers.

Alien Swirling Saucers
Concept art courtesy Disney

This is a playset of Andy's where visitors will ride on spinning flying saucers, controlled by the Little Green Men, as "The Claw" looms above them, ready to strike.

The third attraction in Toy Story Land will be Toy Story Midway Mania, which is adding a third track to accommodate its overflowing crowds. Fans won't have to wait for that added capacity, though. The additional track will be ready to go by Memorial Day weekend.

But, no, Disney didn't reveal an opening date for the rest of Toy Story Land.

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Replies (57)

April 20, 2016 at 10:52 AM · Thank you Universal for forcing Disney to finally add things to their parks.
April 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM · so toy story land will be a re-themed tea cup ride and a kiddie coaster?

Wow! I can hardly wait.

April 20, 2016 at 11:25 AM · While the land has potential, there's only one new ride, and it's just a family coaster. Unlike Carsland, Andy's backyard isn't something we see in any of the movies, so the attractions themselves need to be the main draw, not the land itself. Unless they add more, this land will just be a place for people to kill time when Star Wars Land is full.
April 20, 2016 at 12:03 PM · The Toy Story Lands in Paris and Hong Kong are terrible cheap affairs , I worry this will be similar.
April 20, 2016 at 12:03 PM · Why can't they afford to put into a few more flat rides? A Merry Go Around would be nice too.
April 20, 2016 at 12:08 PM · Randy: there's two new rides.
April 20, 2016 at 12:40 PM · While the spinner doesn't really catch my interest, the coaster has me somewhat intrigued. Will it be just a standard kiddie coaster, or will it be in the same caliber as Thunder and Space Mountain in that the thrills are tame enough for kids to ride but still have enough thrill to them?

I'm guessing that a lot of people are going to want this ride to be legitimately extreme, like the neighboring RocknRollercoaster. But even if it isn't, don't be that dissapointed. Actual extreme Disney thrill rides are very few and far between, as they should be. Remember, Disney is a family park first and foremost. While it is ok for them to have an extreme ride here or there, most of their stuff has to be something that can be enjoyed by all ages.

April 20, 2016 at 12:44 PM · Spinner and not only a family coaster but one that has been paired down from original designs, Disney I am not excited.
April 20, 2016 at 1:39 PM · Randy, I don't get your logic. Andy's backyard may not be in the films, but an area full of "living toys" is essentially what the films are about, so the land itself can easily be drawcard.

I am also worried that this land will be on the cheap, and today's info does.little to ease that concern.

April 20, 2016 at 1:46 PM · I guess the days of actually building attractions that are innovative and fun are over at Disney. A rethemed Mad Tea Party and a kiddie coaster are rather sad additions to the Studio. Hopefully Star Wars Land will be worth the wait. But, again, only 2 new rides there as well.
April 20, 2016 at 1:55 PM · What's sad is, this is a small piece of the puzzle: two new solid (but not revolutionary) family attractions. But they will market the hell out of it, because it has to carry the park until Star Wars Expeience opens.
April 20, 2016 at 3:14 PM · After Monsters Inc, Laugh Floor, you'd think the abbreviations for new rides couldn't get crazier. Thanks Alien Swirling Saucers.

April 20, 2016 at 3:56 PM · I'm honestly a little surprised how much negativity there is about this project. Toy Story Land is NOT meant to be on the level of Cars Land, Avatar Land, or Star Wars Land, it is meant to quickly solve two big issues with DHS at a reasonable budget: A lack of attractions and few family-friendly rides. While the land does only feature two new rides (a C-ticket flat ride and a D-ticket family coaster), it is a great fit for the park. Yes, it would be nice to have a little more, but this isn't bad for a land that is supposed to be complete in two years (according to what I've heard from inside sources).
April 20, 2016 at 4:43 PM · Honestly so sick and tired of WDC's dependency on building lands and attractions based off of IP's. I miss the good ole days when WDC was actually creative and could build original attractions like Splash Mountain, Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion, Big thunder Mountain, and the original POTC. This new "Toy Story Land" resembles something that Six Flags would build. It's unoriginal, low budget, and lacks any creativity. The land's main draw is a kiddie coaster that has very basic theming and looks like something an elementary student would dream up. Gone are the days of true imagineering. Sad to see Disney become a low budget mirror image of Universal. #FireIger
April 20, 2016 at 4:32 PM · This is just sad...
April 20, 2016 at 7:27 PM · AJ: Kathy Mangum talked about Toy Story Land onstage when they revealed it, and compared it to Cars Land.

Also, two years of construction for what? A kiddie coaster, a flat ride, a few themed buildings, and some oversized toys (clones of Paris/Hong Kong themeing)? In a closed-off area of the park that isn't surrounded by guest pathways? What's the deal? Six Flags does this kind of thing in a few months during the Winter. Does Disney have to send Imagineers on trips to see kids' backyards for inspiration or something? Stop making excuses.

April 20, 2016 at 9:06 PM · Wow, so much negativity!
April 20, 2016 at 10:35 PM · Disney lost it's magic a long long time ago.

Blame the greedy "suits" who lack any real creativity for
amazing new attractions.

They can't build these places fast enough in Asia, but have
lost the will to "take the lead" and amaze us.

They promote their latest parades and meet n greets like it's
supposed to be something special.

April 20, 2016 at 11:50 PM · 100% agree with Disneyobession!
April 21, 2016 at 12:35 AM · Looks fun! This is placemaking folks, there is no reason to expect a major attraction when the main anchor of the land, Midway mania, is already there. This is simply themeing and adding supporting rides which look fun. This is very similar to what universal did with Despicable Me and Super Silly Silly fun land and Springfield USA in Universal Hollywood, yet those placemaking projects were generally lauded.
April 21, 2016 at 3:52 AM · Mr. Galvan NAILS IT!
April 21, 2016 at 5:00 AM · DHS has 5 rides including 3 really popular rides, RnR, ToT, and Toy Story. The other 2, Great Movie Ride and the current Star Wars are pretty good. Nothing for younger kids. There's nothing wrong wit adding a section with a couple.,C tickets aimed at the younger audience. Parents should like it a lot. A good park had a mix.
April 21, 2016 at 5:31 AM · The original concept for the Slinky coaster had dug trenches and much more theming. It looked like a solid C ticket family coaster but now it's on flat land and has less theming. The other one is a rethemed clone of Mater's Junkyard Jamboree — an attraction in the style of a whip ride. It's like the dinoland USA in AK and is not wothy of Disney and their prices.

@AJ Hummel I don't get your logic. Sure it's a "fast" and cheap filler but If Star Wars is ready Disney needs something as cool in the park to level the crowds, that is not this cheap crap. Remember why Universal did build Transformers in 11 month? Because they needed an awesome ride in place to have as much pull against Diagon Alley.
Sure this is Disney's plan so they can sell overpriced 1:15 hour upcharge tickets in the morning and 3:00 hours upcharge tickets for the evening for Star Wars, just because they created the demand. It's just sad. I hope the Disney I once fell in love with will ever come back...maybe I will to.

April 21, 2016 at 6:08 AM · Cheap! It took Universal two years to build and open Diagon Alley which is miles above this garbage. Honestly, even Six Flags has done a better job than this. R.I.P. Disney, you used to be good.
April 21, 2016 at 6:12 AM · This seems solid. A simple place that caters to families with younger kids. I'd expect TONS of merch and some food locations. I think the comparison to Universal's Super Silly or Springfield USA is a good one.

I'm interested is seeing how this area stands near to Star Wars land. Will Guests appreciate a smaller area with a subtler theme than Star Wars... or will the intensity of being immersed in the Star Wars IP leave Toy Story land feeling cheap.

We will see!

April 21, 2016 at 6:42 AM · Did Iger find two nickels in his sofa? Where are the swing sets? How about a slide?
April 21, 2016 at 7:49 AM · Disneyobsession nothing Disney builds is low budget and Six Flags absolutely cannot execute on this level.
April 21, 2016 at 8:51 AM · I get it, but Toy Story Land was initially billed as a pretty sizable addition (so large that in fact a Cars Land clone was initially rumored in the same location). My question is then what are they doing with all of that space? The extra track of TSMM is in an already existing soundstage (formerly used for movie previews and temporary exhibits), so the additional space freed up from the elimination of the Animation exhibit and Catastrophe Canyon/studio tram does not jive with the addition of just 2 new attractions (one of which is a small flat ride). I agree with Anon, that one flat ride is selling this new land short, and while no one wants to see a repeat of Bugs Life Land at DCA, Disney could have added at least one more flat to go in the area.

The coaster looks to be somewhere between the Barnstormer/Gadget Coaster and BTMRR, but the limited views provided in the video look to be that the theming is rather minimal (even less than the Barnstormer). I hope that's just a function of the early visualization and limited views of the ride shown. However, this doesn't look like anything special. Hopefully, there's more to this expansion than meets the eye, because there's nothing there that makes me want to rush to DHS in 2019 (or 5 years later when the land actually opens following delays).

April 21, 2016 at 9:17 AM · I'm sorry but the amount of land this is taking up seems to have much more potential then what they are building there. I think they need to open the purse strings and invest in at least one E-Ticket for this area.
April 21, 2016 at 9:35 AM · Now I feel I must provide two comments here...one for positive and one for negative.

Positive Me: I love a coaster I can ride with my family and think it's a perfect fit.

Negative Me: Hmmmm....looks like "Honey I Shrunk the Kids Play Set Ver 2.0"

April 21, 2016 at 9:46 AM · That is one unimpressive land.
April 21, 2016 at 9:48 AM · So Hollywood Studios will be Star Wars Land, (please don't call it Star Wars Experience, that sounds like a museum exhibit) Toy Story Land, and Hollywood Land (Great Movie Ride, Tower of Terror, Rock & Roller Coaster) That still doesn't sound like much of a park to me.

They really should have put the full Cars Land in, the rock work would have complemented the foresty area of Star Wars Land. Then they should put in an Indiana Jones area with the Temple of the Forbidden Eye.

I don't understand the popularity of Toy Story Mania, to me it's a D ticket at best. It just shows the lack of attractions in Hollywood Studios. Same with Soarin in Epcot - it's an E ticket maybe because of it's scale, but a D ticket in terms of creativity/immersion and experience. Basically a larger version of Circle Vision.

If you really felt you were in an individual hang glider, without being on a bench with other people, and seeing people's feet, then it would be awesome. The Simpsons ride addresses this somewhat. It sounds like the Avatar flying ride will be similar, I hope they find a way to make it more immersive.

April 21, 2016 at 11:29 AM · My concern is the land doesn't offer much. It is most certainly promising and looks great. It isn't Carsland for that idea died, but the cost savings is not realized in putting more rides into the land. The biggest issue is it doesn't keep the guests in the land. Where is the play area after "Honey I Shrunk the Kids" Playground is removed? Not exactly a Version 2.0 since there isn't any.

So if you're disappointed if you can't go on Toy Story Mania due to long lines, be disappointed if you can't go on a little roller coaster since you can't handle it and this land only offers one flat ride that you'll likely skip anyways. Pass go to Star Wars Land.

April 21, 2016 at 12:25 PM · There was no way that Disney was going to dig trenches for Slink Dog, not with Florida's water table. Whoever created that concept art (probably back in Glendale, Calif.) either forgot about that... or Disney actually considered grading up the build site. If that were the case, I'm certain that the grading was the first item to be cut once the accountants ran the numbers on that expense.

I'm fine with a kiddie coaster and a spinner ride - whatever - but this land darned well better have a fully themed Pizza Planet restaurant. Skipping that would be the worst missed opportunity at Disney in recent memory.

April 21, 2016 at 1:00 PM · Congrats 159.153.129.39, you win Comment of the Week!

As for Pizza Planet, I would imagine that since the original closed down, they'll prop up a newer and better looking one.

And everyone, relax. Let's wait until the land is open before we attack the theming and usage.

April 21, 2016 at 1:45 PM · Disneyobsession The sad part is that Six Flags actually builds better rollercoasters than this lame Slinky coaster. Even their mild coasters at Magic Mountain in CA are better than this.

If I were a kid, I would much rather ride something like Ninja with my feet dangling and smooth ride in the trees than the Toy Story coaster. What a shame!

April 21, 2016 at 2:14 PM · Compare it to Universal's Springfield, which didn't take two years to build...? Alright Disney pixie dust huffers, I'm out.
April 21, 2016 at 2:21 PM · Robert, need I remind you that Transformers has a whole basement section for their tech booth, break room and glasses room (even with Florida's high water table). "They can't dig a trench" doesn't hold up when they change the elevation of the land around it, either. They planned to one time, but the budget was cut.

Maybe they should take Universal's tact of "under-promise, over-deliver" in the future (in other words, save concept art for the coffee table book).

April 21, 2016 at 6:45 PM · Technically 6 flags doesn't build anything. Unlike Disney and Universal, all of their rides are designed and built by 3rd parties.
April 21, 2016 at 6:55 PM ·
April 21, 2016 at 6:50 PM · Robert: Although rare, it is possible to build tunnels in Florida. Aside from the two here in South Florida, there actually are two at Walt Disney World.
April 21, 2016 at 6:53 PM · This is DHS's version of Dino-Rama at DAK or A Bug's Land at DCA.
As a guest, do you enjoy spending time in those lands? THEN WHY THE HELL IS DISNEY BUILDING THIS GARBAGE FOR A THIRD TIME!?
As for the two years it will take to build Toy Story Land, all I can say is Disney is like my mom going to the bathroom: It takes both of them a looooooooooooooooooong time just to produce some crap.
April 21, 2016 at 7:19 PM · 72.134.17.102: As much of a Disney fan as I am, I have to agree with you on this one.
Keith: Personally, I find "Toy Story Land" too be much worse than "Bug's land" in DCA and worse than "Dino-Rama" at DAK.
I just don't see how some on this site are classifying the "slinky dog dash coaster" as a D-ticket, if anything, it's a C-ticket at best. So basically IMO, "Toy Story Land" is going to be anchored by two C-tickets and very low-budget theming. Wonderful.
April 21, 2016 at 10:12 PM · I think Hilary Clinton has been moonlighting, as a Disney imagineer. I do believe iger, wrote a check for her campaign.

So. She created these rides to pay him back.
Copies of already existing rides, equals government fun.

April 21, 2016 at 10:14 PM · Okay, let's try this again...

If you want to compare Toy Story Land with Cars Land, that is perfectly fine provided you also include Toy Story Midway Mania with the land. While the ride was built several years ago, it will become an official part of the land once it opens. Therefore, you can think of this new land as if DCA went and built just Radiator Springs Racers and then went back 5+ years later and added the rest of Cars Land. Now, let's compare the contents of the two lands:

Cars Land
-total size of 12 acres
-3 attractions (one E-ticket attraction and two C-ticket attractions)
-2 restaurants (counter service)
-several shops
-space for a meet and greet

Toy Story Land
-total size of 11 acres
-3 attractions (one E-ticket attraction, one D-ticket attraction, and one C-ticket attraction)
-1 or 2 restaurants (counter service)
-at least a couple shops
-space for a meet and greet, if not a specific meet and greet attraction

Looks pretty comparable to me.

Now, for the attractions themselves. Everyone here is likely familiar with Toy Story Midway Mania, so I'll skip over that one. Alien Swirling Saucers is the same ride system as Mater's Junkyard Jamboree. This is not simply Mad Tea Party rethemed, it is a completely different attraction that I would argue is the best standard flat ride at the entire Disneyland Resort. It is a great family attraction. As for Slinky Dog Dash, I see a lot of people calling this a kiddie coaster and that is selling the ride short. The coaster itself is actually going to be very similar to Manta at SeaWorld San Diego, just a bit less intense. While this information may not be 100% correct, I do trust my source, and they said that the coaster will be 2,000+ ft long, 40-50 ft tall, reach speeds of almost 40 MPH, contain two LSM launches, and should be comparable to Big Thunder Mountain Railroad in terms of intensity. This is not some little kiddie coaster, it is a full size family coaster and I'd suggest not passing judgment based on the low quality animation that has been released. As for the ticket level, this is one example of why I prefer to define rides as "headliner", "major attraction", "minor attraction", etc. To me, Slinky Dog Dash is a major attraction, which I would equate with a D-ticket. That would put it below something like Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, Expedition Everest, Rock 'n' Roller Coaster, or Space Mountain, which are headliners (aka E-tickets), but above something like Barnstormer or Primeval Whirl, which are what I would consider C-ticket coasters. I'd say it should be about on par with, or possibly slightly below, Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, and most would consider that a D-ticket attraction.

As far as the timeline goes, two years is actually pretty typical for a project of this scale. Think about everything that is required: demolition of everything currently present, groundwork to ensure stability and lay new utility lines, installation of the infrastructure, construction of guest pathways, construction of backstage elements, installation of theming, landscaping the area, and testing. Look at Wizarding World of Harry Potter at USH...that land began construction in September 2013 and opened in February 2016, a little under 2 1/2 years later. For comparison purposes, Wizarding World of Harry Potter is just over half the size of Toy Story Land. You also cannot compare the construction of a single attraction to that of a full land, as only a fraction of the work is required. Besides, a Six Flags roller coaster project usually has a construction timeline of 9-10 months...to make a May opening, work often begins in July or August. If nothing else, there would also be little incentive to get Toy Story Land open before 2018. With Avatar Land opening next year and Toy Story 4 releasing on June 15th, 2018, it makes the most sense to aim the land for this date.

Why not go straight for Star Wars Land? Because there are more hurdles for Star Wars Land in Florida than in California, so it is unlikely they would have been able to open the land before 2020. In California, Star Wars Land is going into a park that is already a 1.5 day park and is not causing major layout changes. Yes, parts of the park are temporarily closed, but most of Star Wars Land will be occupying former backstage area in California. In Florida, however, the placement of Star Wars Land requires not only permanent closure of sections of the park, but also a redesign of the parking lot and entrance road. This needs to be done before construction on the land can commence, so we will not see active Star Wars Land construction until late next year or even the first part of 2018 in Florida. Now, given that Disney's Hollywood Studios is currently a 1/2 day park according to most people, if you asked them whether they want to wait 4 years for Star Wars Land with no major addition before then or have Toy Story Land in 2 years and Star Wars Land in 5, I'm guessing you'd get at least 3 to 1 in favor of the second option.

Lastly, for those comparing the quality of this expansion to what can be found at Six Flags, I have to ask...which Six Flags are you visiting? I've been to most of the Six Flags parks (GE, LR, SFDK, SFGAdv, SFGAm, SFMM, SFNE, SFStL) and two of the Disney Resorts (California and Paris). If you're talking roller coaster quality, Six Flags obviously wins. However, even the worst theming I've ever seen at a Disney park (Toy Story Playland at Walt Disney Studios Paris) is still better than the best theming I've seen at a Six Flags park. I think people are just spoiled by Cars Land and Wizarding World of Harry Potter, when those types of lands are more the exception rather than the rule. Not every addition can receive a $400-600 million budget...you need the $150-200 million additions as well.

Look, I know this addition is not going to appeal to everyone and is probably not something that most will make a special trip for. However, I am betting it will be a big win for DHS and that it will win over some of those fans who are strongly opposed to it now. I just wish enthusiasts weren't so quick to complain about everything, especially when the project satisfactorily addresses multiple previous complaints.

April 21, 2016 at 10:31 PM · What a lot of people forget, and I've only seen a couple people in this discussion mention it, is that Toy Story Land already has it's E-Ticket attraction(Toy Story Midway Mania). Aside from that, what others complained about with the space issues, remember guys, part of that space is being used for Star Wars Land, the space is being split in half basically. Half for Star Wars and half for Toy Story. I myself agree with someone who mentioned their complaint about building lands based on IP's. I'm sorry Disney, even though Universal had a hit on their hands with Harry Potter, that is not a means to be inspired by them to do the same(I include the upcoming Avatar Land in this statement as well). Universal is meant to follow in Disney's footsteps, hence building the Universal theme parks after the success of Disneyland, not the other way around, although now it would seem that Bog Iger may have been offended when Universal won the rights in a bidding war to build attractions based on Harry Potter, that Bob probably stated....."Ok, fine. You build Harry Potter Land, I'll build Star Wars Land" Bob, I think, approved the plans for both Toy Story Land and Avatar Land only to add insult to injury. As people said, gone are the days of true Disney Imagineering Magic where original ideas brought forth unique and exciting original attractions, like the Magic Kingdom Mountains, or even at DHS...attractions like The Great Movie Ride and Fantasmic! But in the end, remember that the true Disney parks are and always will be Disneyland and Magic Kingdom, so as long as those aren't altered in similar ways......Oops....I spoke too soon....sorry Disneyland, but it looks like The franchise lands are going to start taking over your park first with Star Wars Land. I may be a Star Wars fan, but I would say Walt Disney himself would call that move Blasphemous. How dare you let Star Wars take over Tomorrowland. That is very shameful of Iger to agree to.
April 21, 2016 at 11:01 PM · AJ HUMMEL: No doubt, Disney is the king of theming. They can also build some incredible roller coasters though. One of my favorite coasters in any park is California Screamin' at DCA. It never gets old.

I just think they could have done a better job with the Slinky coaster, at least from the footage that I saw. It looks pretty bare bones and lacking in imagination. Obviously, the finished product could be a whole different beast.

Honestly, I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm a Disneyland guy with little desire to visit Disney World. It just seems that WDW fans are getting short-changed with the Toy Story Land and in other areas. That's why I hope we never get a 3rd gate and stay relatively small so the 2 parks can get constant investments, improvements, and maintenance.

April 22, 2016 at 12:42 AM · I love your posts, AJ. Very knowlegeable. I'll call you AJ Fox. Fair AND Balanced! Bwahaha! No, I wouldn't do that.

Anyway, I think we all can agree that it'd be nice if Disney doubled their budget for Toy Story Land, and finished it in half the time. Wouldn't it be nice if every theme park had nothing but E-tickets, fantastic theming, and high end landscaping? Wouldn't we all be thrilled if every new hotel was a Grand Californian/Portofino Bay at half the price? And wouldn't it be nice if monorails and boats connected all of the parks and hotels?

It isn't easy or fast, and it sure as heck aint cheap! It's a business, and reputation is everything. Until Disney's reputation suffers to the point of hitting them in the wallet, or the masses push a Universal park ahead of a Disney park for the first time domestically, Disney is going to do what they feel is in their best interest. I feel like once Star Wars Land is open (in 2026), TSL will just be another fun area of the park for people to enjoy.

One thing I always try to consider too, is that we are Disneyphiles. We dissect everything, and are pretty spoiled. The average guest doesn't think about all of the minutia. They don't see the original concept art, know the cost of building this stuff, or read updates, etc. Just us.

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April 22, 2016 at 7:53 AM · Welcome to the 21st Century, AJ,where people make quick judgements on things at face-value instead of actually doing any research and find out for themselves what's really going on and what the true motivations are.
April 22, 2016 at 8:05 AM · If Slinky Dog Dash is comparable to Big Thunder Mountain and Manta, then I would look upon the addition favorably. Still, one more flat ride wouldn't be a bad idea.
April 22, 2016 at 11:39 AM · I'm with you AJ, but they're really only adding 2 attractions for the 11 acres of space. TSMM is already there and is not consuming any of the 11 acres earmarked for this expansion. That's my point of contention. It would be like Universal touting 5 new attractions when opening the original WWoHP at IOA when in reality only two (Forbidden Journey and Olivander's) were truly new attractions. Even though TSMM is being expanded, the ride itself is not rumored to be changing as a result of the creation of the new land. Not only that, you're considering that the highest profile ride in the new land ("E Ticket") is a ride that's been there for nearly 8 years with no changes other than the doubled capacity coming next month. Perhaps they're considering an upgrade to the attraction (new games, scoring, etc...) when the new land opens, but they're still anchoring the land with an already existing ride. It would be as if WWoHP was anchored by Dragon Challenge and not Forbidden Journey. Sorry, for that I cannot let Disney off the hook here, unless Slinky Dog Dash is really comparable to Sea World San Diego's Manta.
April 22, 2016 at 4:54 PM · Gabriel, I think you pretty much nailed it. Given an unlimited budget, it would be possible to make the ideal enthusiast theme park. However, in reality there is a budget limit and parks must appeal to the general public, not just the serious fans. When it comes to Disney and Universal, the fans just wants E-tickets that are better than what came before. If you go on a site that is geared toward frequenters of Cedar Fair or Six Flags, everyone just wants a big new roller coaster every year. No park could add an E-ticket level attraction annually and still be financially stable, and the bigger audience your park can appeal to the more visitors you'll get. Perhaps it's from being an engineer, from visiting a wide range of parks, or from participating heavily in the Theme Park Apprentice competition, but I tend to find my opinions can differ from the general opinion of fans. While I certainly wouldn't make a special trip for Toy Story Land, it is definitely something I would check out on my next visit.

Russell, I get your point as well and I think it would be nice to have an additional flat ride or something. It definitely looks like there would be space for one (particularly in the lower right corner on the concept art). The criticism about using an existing attraction to anchor the land is valid as well, but at the same time you have to ask whether Toy Story needs a second E-ticket or not. In my opinion, the answer is no. This project is something that I think would have been much smarter to build when Toy Story Midway Mania originally opened (or a year or two later), but that wasn't an option then. Now, however, it makes a lot of sense, and to be honest I think it is a better fit for DHS than a clone of Cars Land would have been.

April 22, 2016 at 8:36 PM · Why is toy story called an E ticket? It's a glorified wii game with screens in a mostly empty warehouse? It's popular because its the only age appropriate ride in the whole park, and is basically a well done D ticket in DCA.
April 23, 2016 at 7:50 AM · The news this morning is that Disney is once again slashing the budget on their Slinky Dog Coaster. Here is the latest concept art:

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April 24, 2016 at 3:37 PM · ....you know what the sad part is?

There's 1,000+ people at WDW right now, and most of them are really enjoying themselves.They probably don't even notice/care about all the problems being listed on this thread.

Just sayin'....

April 25, 2016 at 6:37 AM · I agree that the new land doesn't necessarily need a new e-ticket, especially if the new coaster is more than a Barnstormer. However, you're opening an entire new land with two new attraction that will inevitably get overwhelmed with lines that are completely undeserved. That will give Disney the impression that they're doing something right, when in reality, guests are just seeking what's new. When you open a land 1 or 2 rides at a time, it's going to have that initial effect, and then you're dealing with a ghost town a few years down the road. They need at least another ride or attraction/show to get guests to want to spend time in this new land.

Also, never underestimate the power of a dead end in a theme park. Disney has not revealed the formal plans or layout of Toy Story Land, but from what I've seen, it looks to create a dead end that will not connect to either Star Wars Land to the south or the Rock 'N Roller Coaster plaza to the north. That means your E-ticket is going to be at the very front of the new era and a D ticket (coaster) at the dead end. Theme parks have struggled with attractions located at dead ends for decades, and Disney is not immune, though they have had some successes (Tower of Terror and RnRC - which could be categorized as at a dead end, and Cars Land, which isn't technically a dead end, but the wrap around path from RSR to the Wharf is completely underutilized making it feel like a dead end land). Disneyland's Toon Town and MK's Storybook Circus are prime examples of Disney failing miserably to design a land that has a dead end. Slinky Dog Coaster better be darn good, or the land must be designed with flow through to Star Wars or the north section of the park, or this land will be a complete failure like the other Disney dead end lands that have preceded it.

I also feel that the least Disney could do, if they're not investing in a true e-ticket for the land, that they should upgrade TSMM (beyond the extra track). Perhaps they're already planning this, but I think they're missing the boat if they open a new land with an "anchor" attraction that will probably be over 10 year old when it opens. Disney needs to understand that the only reason TSMM lines are so long right now is because there's nothing else to do in DHS. Once the capacity is increased to a more reasonable level, those lines should normalize a bit.

April 26, 2016 at 7:19 PM · Disney step up your game and actually give universal a challenge

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