Published: August 26, 2009 at 8:38 AMBy the way, Deadspin had a wickedly sick thread on the KD Intimidator 305 announcement, noting the irony of naming a high-speed coaster after someone who died in a high-speed crash. I assume that this annoucement will open another round of snark.
Also, Carowinds is promoting this as the highest coaster in the southeast. One presumes that Carowinds' version of the southeast does not include Virginia, then.
Published: August 26, 2009 at 9:54 AMFirst of all, I say they are all late in capitalizing on the popularity of NASCAR in the Southeast. Second, it's bad show to name a roller coaster after a man that died in a NASCAR race. Third, Virginia is the northernmost state in the Southeast U.S.
Published: August 26, 2009 at 9:56 AMLast I checked Virginia was south of the Mason-Dixon line, that makes it part of the South doesn't it?
Published: August 26, 2009 at 10:09 AMWow, this is really... I never expected this stupidity from Cedar Fair. Virigina is Southern. Heck, Maryland is Southern in that it's below the Mason Dixon line. Yes, it's right near a NASCAR track, just like Kings Dominion. Honestly, Carowinds should have gotten theirs out first. That's where the NASCAR Hall Of Fame is going to be. Kings Dominion should have been named something COMPLETELY different. This is really bad for the Cedar Fair PR department.
Published: August 26, 2009 at 10:33 AMI've alway considered it Mid Atlantic (though VA residents definately have a southern accent.) It can go either way, really...
Published: August 26, 2009 at 10:36 AMI would consider VA more... Mid-Eastern...
Published: August 26, 2009 at 10:45 AMIn North Carolina....a state where NASCAR has a lot of history, I can see the Intimidator/Earnhardt theme working out. I don't really know why they did it in Virginia. In any event, this is big news for Carowinds, whose fanbase has been waiting awhile for a big new attraction. They will respond with attendance next year.
In terms of Virginia being in the southeast, I'll buy that. I would call it the northern most southern state.
Published: August 26, 2009 at 10:55 AMMy only real problem is with them naming two coasters so close to each other geographically basically the same thing. Intimidator305 at KD is already referred to as Intimidator so now there are two Intimidator coasters in neighboring states. For clarity, we either have to call them by their proper names or specifically mention the park it's in. Also, as a Virginia resident, I consider Virginia to be a mid-Atlantic state, as do the local and regional newscasts. Although the Mason-Dixon line may be north of us, I consider North Carolina to be the start of the south. Well, when I think about it, anywhere south of Richmond, VA is when you really start to notice you're in the south. However, KD is located north of Richmond, so Intimidator305 would not be southern enough. :)
Published: August 26, 2009 at 1:45 PMVirginia is in the South but I wouldn't classify it as the Southeast. If you're using the Mason-Dixon Line as a judge, then Maryland and Delaware are also in the Southeast. Generally, I would classify anything below Virginia as the SE and above Maryland is the Northeast. Virginia, Delaware, and Maryland along with Pennsylvania, Jersey, and New York form the the Mid-Atlantic. According to some classifications, North Carolina isn't even in the South East but instead is part of the Appalachians.
Published: August 26, 2009 at 1:46 PMDespite having lived in Florida for a spell, I am undoubtedly a Yankee. And the Yankee POV seems to be that if your state was in the Confederacy and is east of the Mississippi, it is in the Southeast.
Published: August 26, 2009 at 2:32 PMI will say it like this. When driving on I-95 and going southbound, after driving thru the DC area thats when it starts to become southern. So yes, VA is in the southeast.
Published: August 26, 2009 at 2:37 PMFrom someone who grew up in southeastern Virginia, I would definitely consider the area to be the southeast.
And for those who don't think there is a big culture of NASCAR fandom in VA, you're mistaken. I don't disagree with the perception that two similarly named/designed coasters that close to each other could be problematic, but I don't think that their two markets overlap that much.
Published: August 26, 2009 at 3:23 PMWasn't Richmond, Virginia, the capital of the Confederacy (South) during the Civil War? Hmmm...
The coaster layout looks real similar to Diamondback as stated in the post. Which is good, cause according to all reports, Diamondback is an excellent coaster. Plus, D-back is only 9 hours from my house, much closer than this Imitator... err... Intimidator.
Published: August 26, 2009 at 3:27 PMHonestly, WHO CARES? I mean Carowinds is finally getting a NEW ride. Not a "hand-me-down" or a prototype! They are getting a NEW RIDE! It is about time! I think a big part of why the ride in Carowinds is being themed to NASCAR is because of the NASCAR Hall Of Fame in Uptown Charlotte which will open 5/11/2010 which is around the same time Carowinds opens.....Carowinds will hopefully be able to capitalize on the NASCAR Hall of Fame opening.
But regardless, focus on the fact that this ride is NEW and not a "hand-me-down" or a prototype and that it is 232 feet tall which is nearly 100ft taller than Afterburn at 144ft, rather than focusing on whether Virginia is in the south or not!
In this economy, a NEW coaster is better than nothing at all! Carowinds could have been on the chopping block!
I do not, however, like the fact that 2 NEW rides in the same company will have the same name (with the exception of KD having 305 attached to it). I think the team at Cedar Fair does need to be more creative!
Published: August 26, 2009 at 3:32 PMI live in Virginia and even though the state fought for the South has nothing to do with it being a Southeastern state. I have grown up hearing it called a Mid Atlantic state. The College Basketball teams in Virginia are part of the Mid Atlantic Conference and not the Southeastern Conference.
Published: August 26, 2009 at 4:42 PMCouldn't they of been at least a little creative and used another famous racers name or something? I thought it was lame enough having one coaster named after Earnhart, but two? Sounds to me more like Earnhart foundation is paying Cedar Fair to use the Earnhart name than the other way around. Both coasters do look pretty awesome though, its just sad that they spent all that money and couldn't come up with some better names. Maybe the contract will expire soon and they'll have to retheme them both :)
Published: August 26, 2009 at 6:47 PMI'm glad they are investing into Carowinds even if I personally do not care to see a Hyper (we were just talking earlier about how Carowinds seems to have a lot for kids and for thrill-seekers but seems to be lacking things to do for people who don't fit any of those.... unless you are going for the waterpark I guess).
Published: August 26, 2009 at 8:44 PMThey are in the South. They left the union during the civil war thus South.
Thats how I rationalize it, but that my two cents!
Published: August 26, 2009 at 10:54 PMI really wish I had a geographic breakdown of the voting on this one.
I suspect that people in the south (defined as ex-Confederacy) see Virginia as not in the southeast. And that people in the north (defined as the other states) do.
So people in the south see Virginia as not in the south. And people in the north see Virginia as not in the north, either.
So Virginia is... the state nobody else wants to be associated with.
Published: August 26, 2009 at 11:59 PMI'm from Jersey, and I've always been taught that Delaware, Maryland, West Virginia, and Virginia were the Mid-Atlantic states. People I know from those regions usually claim the Mid-Atlantic as well.
But, from a US Census standpoint, things get a bit interesting:
The country is split into 4 regions, which places Delaware - Florida, and out West from Kentucky - Mississippi in the South. Those regions are split into divisions, which places Virginia in the South Atlantic.
Then me as a New Jersian thinking myself a North Eastern dweller is correct, but my mental placement of the Mid-Atlantic that I grew up with is wrong since it's defined as New York, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. Interesting indeed...
Published: August 27, 2009 at 12:50 AMI was born and raised in VA. Here are a few points:
a) Richmond, it's capital, was once the capital of the Confederacy
b)fast food restaurant Bojangles
c) south of the Mason-Dixon line
d) NASCAR - Richmond International Speedway
e) southern accents (just listen to my parents. I was lucky to not have one)
f) home of Robert E. Lee
g) at one time Robert E. Lee, Andrew Jackson, and Martin Luther King Jr. holidays were all on the same day
h) decided to have a Confederate History month (and sadly chose March to be that month)
i) fried foods
j) Wikipedia says so
Published: August 27, 2009 at 7:53 AMWhat a rip...why do we get such a 2nd rate version when just up the road KD gets a real ride yet again!!!
Also, why name two rides the same in one year. We also don't understand going after the name of someone that has been dead 8 years. Let the man rest in peace.
Not everyone in this area likes NASCAR. It is a dried up and dying series that is not even stable anymore.
Why not get creative and save the money from the liscensing aspect to use for new attractions that are more relavent.
Published: August 27, 2009 at 12:38 PMIt seems like the $23 million dollar new roller coaster is getting over shadowed on here by if it is or is not in the southeast. If you are not going to be satisfied with this new B & M Hyper, then I say scrap the project and give us a new log flume ride. :-) (I'm kidding)
Published: August 27, 2009 at 3:00 PMI agree. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't this be the tallest b&m in the states?
Published: August 28, 2009 at 12:33 PMWhat was that little war between the states called...oh yeah the Civil War and Virginia was the Capital of the North or the South???
Published: August 28, 2009 at 12:52 PMThis question is more of a cultural question than a map question, right? I.e. is it "south" as it is definitely east.
West Virginia: Yankee
Virginia: Stars and Bars
Elliot Sadler, Denny Hamlin - two big NASCAR drivers born of that SOUTHERN NASCAR heritage. The good ole boys love these two, but can't stand the likes of Jimmie Johnson from California or Jeff Gordon.
Try to call a Virginian a northerner and see what you get...southeast
Published: August 28, 2009 at 8:12 PMIntimidator will be the tallest and 2nd longest coaster B&M has created in North America. Worldwide, it is only shorter than Silver Star in Germany by 9 feet, and beats Silver Star for the 2nd longest B&M coaster in the world by 1 foot.