Published: December 14, 2009 at 6:50 PMI would keep the voting window open longer than two hours. That's not a great deal of time for people to come and cast their votes. It limits participation...something I'm sure that some people would like. I on the other hand, like chaos and bedlam..which is what happened last year when a ton of people got involved. A great attraction has fans, and I would like to hear their voices.
I would keep the polls open at least four hours. Then, maybe send an email to the PR departments of all parks involved in advance, so that they in turn can get the word out via social network..so that some of these matchups (you know the ones I'm talking about) aren't so lopsided. Even with a small window like two hours, fansites and a facebook page with legions of fans can generate votes fast.
I also think we should close the comments section to non-registered voters (anonymous posters) for those particular threads during the tournament, so that those who take the time to register with the site, and all of us already here at TPI get to fire all the shots. That's some of the best fun of the whole thing.
I have a feeling that the final matchup between ride and show will be fairly anti-climactic. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking that the ride will win pretty handily.
Published: December 14, 2009 at 8:01 PMSounds brilliantly fun!
And I have no problem with the two hour voting window thanks to my newly purchased iPhone (Merry Christmas to me!). I can vote at anytime from anywhere...and do it in style. All the babes on the city bus will wonder what I am up to with that smarmy grin of self satisfaction plastered on my face as I input my coveted vote! But I won't give them the time of day...no, I am too cool for that. I will just place my vote, then nonchalantly return to reading the latest issue of my favorite Spider-Man comic book. I can't wait!
I do agree with Derek about the anonymous posting, though. Make people put a name to their comments, even if it is a distinctive, yet fictitious moniker like mine. ;)
Published: December 14, 2009 at 10:23 PMI don't have the luxury of the iphone (unless James will let me borrow his.... lol) so voting in a 2 hour time frame might be harder for me. I am wondering if that might make the results slightly different due to it possibly being only the people who were able to get to thier internet connection or whatever at the time of the vote. Being it's your site though, and your putting the time into setting it up..... I say do it however you want!.... lol. I will say that sometimes (even though I am registed on the site) I do like to put comments without registering because I can (without logging in) and sometimes it is nice if you say something that you are going to be argued with about or feel like your difference in opinion may be chastised for, you don't have to worry about feeling personally attacked (like if I were to say something controversial to those on this site like.... I'd rather have a new rapids ride than a new B & M hyper..... oh the verbal reprimand from some of the thrillseeking readers that would probably follow...... lol).
Published: December 15, 2009 at 12:56 AMThe new format is a good idea, because the movies and live shows never had a chance to shine before (rides were sure to win because, well, most people go to the parks for the rides). By the way, I'll be stunned if Mickey's PhilHarmagic doesn't win in the best movie category.
Published: December 15, 2009 at 2:41 AMDisappointing to say the least. The more restrictive you make any 'contest', the less reliable and more biased the outcome will always be.
A '2 hour voting window'? For what purpose? Do you really think that will enable all the interested parties to participate? This is a 24 hour world, people work, attend school, have families to take care of and have many other entertainment optiona available during whatever 2 hour period 'you decide' is the only time to cast a ballot if desired. A true sampling? Get real.
Only one ride or coaster from the same manufacturor? Why not only one ride from each park or each company that owns a park? Why not only one dark ride or one water ride? Thats like saying all Fords, Chevys or Toyotas are the same because they are made by the same company? I don't even ride coasters, but I know those that do would not consider them all 'equal' because the same company makes them. And I'll bet B & M would tend to disagree iwith you as well that they're all the same because they make them?
Sounds to me like you had a year +/- to rework 'your contest' and you decided to use the the polling and voting laws from Mississippi or Alabama as your blueprint. Shame on you...I'll cast my vote now, I won't be voting under this silly, restrictive, biased rules structure. You and the kids have fun with your contest and your site. Bye, bye
Published: December 15, 2009 at 8:51 AMYou won't vote because you and your little friends can't create programs that would stuff the ballot box? I found last year's contest extremly bias and this is a good way to get people to come back to the site.
I am starting to second the idea to only let registered members comment. They do not seem to have a problem with this new way of doing it.
Does it stink I can't vote on all of this? Yes, but I really don't think I can give rides such as Top Thrill Dragster, Kinga Ka, Curse of Darkcastle, etc a fair shake since I have never been on them.
Published: December 15, 2009 at 9:53 AM...and the accusations start flying already. Ballot stuffing? Really? Sounds more like sour grapes to me. As I said before, a great attraction has fans, and fans voted last year. The word was put out, and loyal fans showed up. It can't be helped that Cedar Point fans are just as loyal, if not more so than the Disney ones. If you want to make it a closed, country club-esque vote that would be uninteresting, anticlimactic, and biased in it's own right, that's your thing. The industry is about people, and I would like to know what the people think. Not just the Disney superfans or the coaster superfans, not just the people of Florida, California, or Ohio, but all park fans everywhere. If we can hand a vote for President of the United States to every uneducated and biased person 18 years and older, then surely we can give park fans a good window of oppurtunity to cast their vote in this little tournament.
Anonymous poster 184.108.40.206, some of your issues with the contest are valid. Perhaps if you A) presented an argument free of veiled insults and assumptions, B) Had solutions instead of just complaining, and C) were registered with the site instead of posting anonymously, you might have an audience.
BTW Robert, I'm sure you've put a lot of thought into this thing. Regardless of my opinions on the tournament structure and such, thanks for putting it together. It's fun, and is always a great social experiment if nothing else.
Published: December 15, 2009 at 10:19 AMMy only complaint is the two-hour voting window. Like others have said, some of us won't be able to vote within that time period which is a total bummer. Hopefully you'll consider changing that. Aside from that, I'm excited for the tournament! Last year's is what brought me to join this site [hey, I was being called out on my other forum and had to step in :) ], and I'm happy to be a member here.
Published: December 15, 2009 at 11:11 AMThank you Derek for your suggestion that the anonymous poster should offer solutions or alternatives instead of solely complaining. In fact - didn't Robert have a recent post (rhetorical question) about a certain Mr. Disney's management style that basically said the same thing: paraphrasing "I know the gag doesn't work. Instead of telling me that tell me how to fix it."
Thank you Robert for all the hard work you put into this tournament each year. I say let's give Robert's new format a try. If it doesn't work - he'll tweak it next year. And the loyal TPI readers will be just as grateful when it returns in 2011 in whatever format. BTW: I applaud the decisions you've made. My problem won't be the ability to vote during the 2-hour window (either via iPhone or my allowable use of my work computer), it will be to REMEMBER to vote when I get tied up with actual work.
Looking forward to the preview of the 2010 entrants over the next 64 days as well as the tournament itself.
Published: December 15, 2009 at 12:12 PMNo ballot stuffing? There was a crash of the site because of a program voting over and over again for the same attraction. But its old news. People went out and "caucus"-ed for the votes and very fairly got their people to come out. I think it might be different this year. I am sorry if I came off brash before. You are right, we should figure out how to fix the problem rather than just complain. However, I doubt it can get any better than this. I am bummed out by the 2 hour thing, but thats the way it goes.
As for the timing, oh Robert I do not know how you can do this, but could you make it East Coast times instead of West Coast? The time difference kinda kills since your mornning is us on the East of the Mississippi's mid morning (and we are at work!)
Its perfectly fine to have your favorites. While I am a big fan of Disney, I also like most of Universal's attractions, Seaworld's coasters, and SFGA's underrated roller coasters. I think this years will be better due to the fact that we will be comparing apples to apples. I mean, how can you compare Pirates of the Carribean to Manta? One is one of the top dark rides, one is the top flying coasters. How to you decide? Tower of Terror vs. Mummy? That might be a little more realistic.
Also, another thing to remember: Unless I am mistaken, nobody gets anything from this except bragging rights. I say we should make a prize to give to the winner (like a trophy or something :). So lets all cool it off a bit and not get worked up (me included)
ACE did it for Batman the Ride.
Published: December 15, 2009 at 12:29 PMIt figures that some idiot lowlife would actually take the time and effort to create a program just to rig an online contest to get his favorite attractions to win. To whoever did that: you are a LOSER. Get a life!
Published: December 15, 2009 at 1:34 PMOh, it's on, 220.127.116.11! Bring the noise, boy!
The 2-hour window is restrictive, yes. However, it may help to prevent those fan sites from re-directing everyone to this site for one vote.
Maybe, unlike last year, you shouldn't announce the next vote. i.e. Don't say "Tune in tomorrow when Goliath takes on The Mummy!" That way, people don't know in advance and, therefore, can't alert all their fanboys to go to the site for one vote.
Published: December 15, 2009 at 2:18 PMThink of it as, oh, a sports tournament. The game's on between noon and two (for example) and if you want to play, that's when you have to show.
That said, I will be posting a complete tournament schedule, with match-up times, before the tournament begins, so people can plan when to visit and vote.
Now, it's my hope that people will visit for every match-up, coming back to the site multiple times a day to vote and check results. But with the schedule, at least people will know when their favorite match-ups are happening.
And, trust me, I know the "prime times" for most visits to the site and will schedule the hottest match-ups for then (early evening on the east coast, late afternoon on the west).
To pull back the curtain a bit more, this is a bit of an experiment in "interactive live programming" on the site, to see how it goes. If it seems to be bringing in a large audience, I might try additional interactive live programming events, in text or video, in the future. And if it totally blows, I'll tweak the tournament again for 2011.
Published: December 15, 2009 at 2:50 PMNoon and two in which time zone? Pacific? That might work for me in Eastern Time, because I work in a facility that a) doesn't allow cell phones or PDAs, and b) won't let me log into TPI on work computers.
I pity those, however, who work in similar circumstances in Central and Mountain (and especially Hawaii and Alaska, to say nothing of those in Europe and the Far East who loyally follow your site...).
Seriously, the two hour window will hamper participation. Is there any way you can "roll" that window around the world? (No. I know there isn't without limiting voting to registered members.)
Oh, and I hate to pick a scab, but you realize, I'm sure, that Apollo's Chariot is vastly superior to Goliath at SFGA...Diamondback is newer, but still can't match the eye-watering, breathtaking nature of the Chariot. It will be difficult voting for a lesser species of the B&M Hypercoaster... too many factors play into a ride's personality to be able to say "if you've ridden one, you've ridden them all."
It's your contest, and you make the rules, but I think your quest for simplicity will skew the results too far to be a true measure of "The Best Attraction In America." Just sayin'.
Published: December 15, 2009 at 5:18 PMLeave the tournament open all day, this isn't a sport's tournament, it's a damn Internet poll.
Published: December 15, 2009 at 9:36 PMWhile you're limiting roller coasters by grouping those that are similar, you might as well do the same thing for other categories. All dark rides are about the same so lump them into one representative attraction. Similarly, those heavily themed, slow and short roller coasters can be lumped into one pile with one representative. Oh, might as well lump all those show-type attractions together like Small World and American Adventure; they're about the same. Actually, why not make it really simple by lumping all the attractions into one representative attraction and we can all vote for it. That would be fun and non-confrontational! :)