The other thing is no one knows if Disney have any plans to use Marvel at Walt Disney World. A single attraction would be hard to fit into the current parks whilst anything more substantial would be extremely costly.
Whilst Marvel would be a big draw for Walt Disney World everyone would compare the success of Disney's attempt at Marvel to what Universal did at Islands of Adventure. It puts a lot of pressure on Disney as Universal set the bar very high.
Universal are in somewhat of a tricky position at the moment in the fact they have to ensure the quality of new attractions lives up to what they have done in the last decade whilst also keeping the quality of their older attractions high.
Of course I'd expect nothing but the best from the best from Universal Creative, but it's still a very interesting time for both Disney and Universal.
As it stands now, Disney's efforts to activate some of the most popular Marvel characters on its various platforms have the effect of promoting its rival's theme park in Orlando, the world's largest theme park market.
If Disney could secure those rights, it could solve its "boy" problem in Orlando by having the full cast of Marvel characters at its disposal, and clear opportunity to bring back some theme park fans from Universal, as those characters would be moving to WDW.
Disney's becoming too girl-focused with its princess obsession, and writing a check to Universal might be the quickest, and in the long run, least expensive way to balance that.
I've heard TPI readers mention it before-- A VIDEO GAME THEMED ISLAND!!!! I can see it taking over Marvel eventually.
With the economy how it is companies are looking to increase or at least keep steady there cash-flows and revenue streams. So millions of people still visiting the Parks both at Universal and Disney, Disney would make a mistake by pulling Marvel out of Universal.
I would keep Marvel in Universal until Disney has a concrete idea on what they are going to do. Whether it going to be a land, rides, or what not. I wouldnt just pull it just because you can but to have an idea that could be steller!
Disney passed on Harry Potter because they were only willing to build 1 ride while they wanted a full land dedicated to HP. Universal has only a 7-9 year contract with HP and if Jk Rowling doesnt like what Universal is doing she can either pull HP out of Universal after the contract is up or add another 7-9 years.
I don't mind if Toon Lagoon goes away as it is the only section of the park that I never liked.
It's not good that Disney is becoming a monopoly of the theme parks by buying the rights of everything. Competition is good.
Ah, well. Maybe when Disney waits for Universal's contract to expire (because they sure aren't gonna buy it from Universal), they won't completely destroy the franchise. Here's hoping.
I absolutly hate Toon Lagoon with a passion. I think it is the worst in food, themeing and attractions as well. I absolutly HATE Dudley Do Right, but LOVE Popeye. Keep Popeye and demolish the rest of the land and start over.
However, I think that Jurrasic Park is a bit of a weak land as well. I feel that it needs a couple more attractions to strenghen it, but it has decient theming and food.
To me, IOA got two lands right from the start (and the two most people start in): Dr. Seuss and the Lost Continent which they now sliced and diced for the betterment of Pottermania.
As for Disney buying Marvel, under what thought process is that a bad or even evil idea? Disney needs something to entertain the boys. They have their foothold with Hannah Montana and High School Musical, but for boys...............Phineus and Ferb? Also, I do not feel bad for Universal one bit. They are the one that had that dumb comparision on their website about how they were "cool" and Disney was "out of touch". They still use Spiderman in their ads. I wonder if they have to pay Disney for that one? In my opinion its Karma for making fun of Disney World on their actual WEBSITE for years.
Here's me crossing my fingers for Monster Island and Video Game Lagoon!
I want to see a Zelda attraction!
As far as Toon Lagoon, I agree with the earlier "retro land" idea. I had the opportunity to stay at Disney's Pop Century last year, and feel that the qualities of Toon Lagoon are very similar. They harken back to a simpler time, and the comic strip is still clever, even if it is a "dying breed." I think that the WU store in Toon Lagoon is an attempt to cater to a younger demographic who may not be entirely up on their comics, but who like the parks.
I think that Universal should use some of their new found fortune they have made off of HP and continue to spruce up the park. It was much cleaner this past weekend than it was when my wife and I visited in the spring. Everything was busy, and all the bells and whistles seemed to be working. They have a new opportunity at renewal, and should not squander it.
1. Retheme Ripsaw Falls to Rocky and Bullwinkle. Those characters used to have a strong presence at Universal Studios and are more well-known than Dudley.
2. Retheme Marvel Super Hero Island to DC. Hulk Coaster becomes Green Lantern coaster with minimal changes (and just in time to bask in the upcoming movie's popularity). Make Spider-Man a Batman ride, with similar technology at the core of the design. Marvel Island was originally going to be a Batman section anyways.
3. Move Storm Force Accelatron to Seuss Landing and re-theme it. Nobody rides the thing because it's out of view behind the Hulk. Also, make it easier to spin, like the teacups at Magic Kingdom.
If there's a good reason why Universal has been dragging it's heels on upgrading Spidey and cleaning up The Hulk, this would be it.
The main thing about IOA I would want to visit is the water attractions in toon lagoon.... so I can't relate to those who feel it is the least interesting island. I did think the poster saying to retheme it to DC comics had an interesting idea. I also think the Nintendo charachters would be relateable to most people.
I can't imagine how insanely awesome Spiderman could be if it was retrofitted to Batman in Arkham Asylum. But I just don't see it happening.
As to the marvel area, just about anything would work all that is over there is Spiderman, Hulk, the drop tower and that flat ride. And Spiderman is due for a new movie. Placing Transformers in there would be a great idea. The movie is already filmed or in the works since its going in LA.
I would rather see characters for the boys created and developed by Disney. I am not 100% sure the characters have the same affect on boys as they do girls anyway. Give the boys Monsters Inc, Toy Story, Cars, etc and I thing they would be just as happy.
Now about Marvel, it's my understanding that the contract is getting ready to be expired. So Disney should just wait it out for Uni to be finished and then create a Marvel Studios at MGM. All will be well then. Well except for IOA. But honestly I thought Uni had rights to continue to use these characters in Orlando exclusively and Disney was suppose to respect that.
Am I right about my last sentence?
Marvel does fit Disney. Those stories listed above weren't always Disney. Disney made them popular.
Marvel fits Disney better than a lot of Miramax Films when they were owned by Disney ;).
Universal should substitute both islands with a Middle Earth island, with atractions based on Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit.
Don't get me wrong, I've been a huge fan of Marvel and Disney since I was a child. I just don't think it fits what-so-ever in a Disney Theme Park. I don't think the drunks in Pirates of the Caribbean are the same as Tony Stark/ Iron Man. Sure, actual pirates pillage, plunder, and even rape... but most of the Disney pirates don't have a history beyond the gates of Disneyland. And I don't think Stitch is the same as Wolverine despite being little and destructive. I don't think Stitch's world involved rape or brutal death.
What I'm trying to say is that even though ghosts and pirates exist in Disneyland, they don't have the same fleshed out history and characters of Marvel characters... Marvel traditionally isn't as cartoony if you will. And bringing out the kid versions of Marvel characters won't appeal to the teens and adult fans of Marvel.
Basically, I say it still fits in Universal more than Disney.
Disney, at one time, had edge. Mickey had edge. In fact, he could be a real b@stard, albeit a lovable one, pushing Minnie out of a plane for not kissing him, swinging a cat by its tail to produce music, and getting into all kinds of trouble. As soon as Mickey's eyes were converted from dots to scleras with pupils, he became an ordinary, overly sweet character with no gusto. Even Walt disliked the new Mickey. Pinocchio (the film) had edge. It was moralistic and unafraid to show children the dangers of being bad. The villains were terrifying, not lovable and idolized like the villains in new Disney films.
Today, Disney's programming, movies, and general message towards children are reminiscent of Barney: "You're special, you're smart, you're a good person." Ever watch House of Mouse? Awful, awful stuff. The Mickey from 1928 would pummel the new Mickey, or, at the very least, swing him by his tail in an effort to produce music.
On that note, Disney needs edge. Its acquisition of Marvel was a smart move. As to Robert's question, I'm going to throw in the old engineering perspective: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Hulk and Spiderman are still enormously popular and well worth visiting, even if the effects aren't as mind-blowing as they were ten years ago. Marvel Island's walkways have never impressed me, though the two headliner attractions more than make up for that. Spiderman and Hulk opened in 1999. They've been around for over a decade, yet they're still pretty amazing. Let them ride out their popularity for at least another five years before making any changes. As for Toon Lagoon, I applaud Universal for using the comic strip theme in the first place. I'm a little nostalgic, which is part of the reason I love attractions like Tower of Terror so much. Keep the comic theme for a while - I really enjoy walking through the comic strip lane. Popeye & Bluto is brilliant. Dudley Do-Right needs a serious paint job and effects refurbishment, but is still a major draw and worthwhile attraction. Fix up Dudley, give the land some love, and let the attractions stay put.
Here's some ideas how....
#1 Dreamworks Parade (Competitor: Block Party Bash/Pixar Parade): Take advantage of the characters from Madgascar, How to Train a Dragon, Despicable Me, Shrek, & Monsters vs Aliens
#2 GOONIES!! Take advantage of the popularity of this classic movie. Change the layout of Dudley's Do Right.
#3 FAST & FURIOUS FRANCHISE: Change Incredible Hulk Coaster into a Fast & Furious Coaster
#4 PARAMOUNT FRANCISES...Take advantage of the absence of Paramount Parks. Mission Impossible, Top Gun, Days Of Thunder, Star Trek) (STAR TREK THE EXPERIENCE AT KENNEDY SPACE CENTER IS NOT SUFFICIENT..Plus now Star Trek: Experience is no longer in Vegas)(Another idea: Work with The Kennedy Space Center by offering packages)
-Universal needs Star Trek to combat with Star Wars Weekends & Star Tours II @ WDS...
#5 Get rid of Posideon's Fury!!!: Make a Tomb Raider Based Show to combat Indiana Jones Adventure @ WDS. Another Paramount Francise...
#6 Aliens/Predators Francise!!! Other than a simple laser tag adventure @ Dreamworld Australia...there is nothing out there.
#7 James Bond Stunt Show: Taking the place of Sinbad's show. Again, why not take advantage of a notable francise!!! Something that will compete directly against Lights! Action! Motors! Stunt show @ WDS
#8 Pleasure Island is no longer around...So take CityWalk to the next level even with Hard Rock Live! Build a bigger venue @ Citywalk with the cooperation of MTV (Paramount...once again)