Published: October 3, 2006 at 1:00 PMWell we know what you love in Disneyland!
Seriously, I think our Tom Sawyer will not be leaving Disney World's since it is in Frotierland and Pirates is nowhere near Frontier land in plotline. Though not my favorite attraction, it is one that allows you to run around a bit and burn some energy!
So I think Tom Sawyer Island will be safe in Disney World.
Also Disneyland is not as big or a powerhouse like Disney World is! They have been shaky for awhile. THis also brings up the question of what Tom Sawyer has to do with New Orleans Place (well, maybe the setting, but not really). Its a better fit in Frotieer Land. It is also sad that nobody knows these books anymore!
Published: October 3, 2006 at 1:50 PMAs a parent I commend you for the no TV on school night, Robert. Reading is something that a lot of kids dont get enough of.
Published: October 3, 2006 at 6:25 PMIf they do make some Pirates 2.0, they should at least keep some of the TSI, for nostalgic purposes, and for the kids to still run around on. Keep everyone happy. TSI will still have some life left, and P2.0 will shed some life. Now, the likelyhood of this is probably rare. The only problem I have is that ever since that one girl hurt herself on TSI, I remember hearing you were not allowed to climb on the stuff and run around like kids used too. All she got(from what I understand) was a sprained arm. Honestly, I'm sure the kid made a full recovery.
But I digress.
I sure hope if they do P2.0, they keep SOME of TSI.
Published: October 3, 2006 at 11:00 PMI agree with Robert 100% TSI has always sparked my imagination. I remember the thrill of trying to find my way out of the caves when I was a kid. We used to play hide and go seek there, and I had my sister convinced Injun Joe would get her if she didn't watch out.As a teenager it became the place to go to grab a quick toke.As an adult, I take my kids there, and watch as they experience the same magic I did. I can't believe Disney would consider taking it out. A better solution, and probably cheaper is to renovate the area, maybe put a place to eat and a store in the fort area, add some new bridges and cave areas, etc. I can't believe that parents would allow their children to miss out on the wonders of the classics, have we become that shallow as a society?I hope not.
Published: October 4, 2006 at 12:30 AMA point well made and which gets my support; culture and heritage merit being cherished.
Keith Rayment, England
Published: October 4, 2006 at 7:52 AMi love the park they could have both the pirates and tom sawyer
Published: October 4, 2006 at 8:17 AMI agree that kids today don't know a thing about Tom & Huck. But it don't 'mount to a hill a beans if'n they're havin' fun runnin' and climbin', cause while the youngins are doin' what they do best, us old folks need a place to sit a spell and rock under a clear blue Disney sky.
Would be nice a 'course if'n they could make the caves a bit more fun & creepier while they're at it too, and if'n they had a place to get some decent vittles and maybe sell a coon-skin hat or a model raft kit. Oh! And s'pose there was a "tall tale hour" delivered by a man who looked a lot like Mr. Twain himself! (Twice a day perhaps - I hear it works for that Belle character). Then kids would 'preciate his stories on a whole new level.
And pirates? Well, there's a place for them too, but it 'aint near TSI. And tell you the truth, much as I was weaned on the salt water of Pirates, I s'pect I'd get mighty tired of it a'fore long if'n I had to have a 360 of it everywhere I turned.
So, thanks for bearin' with this ol' gal and for listen'n to my o'pinion. Mind what I say now and read to your youngins every night - young or not so young - and shut off that confounded television once in a while. You'll be su'prised at how much everyone'll learn.
Ya'll come back now, y'hear?
Published: October 4, 2006 at 8:23 AMTerri, your comment made me smile. :D
And Scott, I'm sure they can do that. I mean, TSI isn't terribly small. I remember it being actually quite big. (Then again, I was 9 last time I did it).
Published: October 4, 2006 at 8:48 AMWhat happened?
This sounds like "old hat" Disney. This sounds like "Eisner-era" Disney--I thought we were on a course for new and better things?!
On the Pixar/Disney Re-Imagineering blog there's a post about the old bandstand in Tomorrowland and how Rolly Crump's classic planter sculpture will soon be reinstalled where Club Buzz has stood since 1998.
To me, that's just another sign of the times. In the past year, Iger has made a number of business decisions that have not only reflected smart business thinking on his part but also recognize the tradition of Disney. I was (and still am) convinced that the combined force of Iger and Lasseter was going to bring Disney back from the brink.
But now this?! This isn't the first time classic Disney has met its end at the hand of flashy Disney--remember when The Golden Horseshoe closed its doors at Disney World and was replaced with a Woody's Round-up type show--and how that quickly degraded into a character meet'n'greet?
Disney shouldn't even consider a second pirates attraction in their parks and I'll tell you why: the PotC rehab has been a success. The attraction is now able to appeal both to current Disney fans as well as the traditionalists. Plus, the effort (and money) is clearly evident in the refurbishment. And the whole thing was done with class: class that the company lacked a couple years ago.
So what purpose does a second attraction serve save to milk dry a successful franchise quicker? How many people do you know who complained that Dead Man's Chest wasn't nearly as good as The Black Pearl--and how many blamed it on movie length--or the way the film ended, setting up for the third film? Already people are becoming disenchancted by the Pirates franchise and years from now, kids will look upon PotC just as kids currently look upon Tom Sawyer.
This is where honest-to-God, true blue Imagineering comes in--this is where Disney has a chance to save the island: instead of closing it down and letting it rot, start drawing up some plans to turn the island into an even MORE fanciful playground--and if you need ANY kind of inspiration, just look at Camp Jurassic at Universal's Islands of Adventure. For six years, Universal was doing Disney better than Disney was doing Disney. Here's an opportunity for Disney to show they still got it. Don't turn Tom Sawyer into Pirates 2.0. Turn Tom Sawyer into Tom Sawyer 2.0! And if the problem lies in children not knowing who Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn are, that's something that could be fixed by airing Twain-inspired films on The Disney Channel or ABC--or reprinting or even reimgining Tom Sawyer storybooks through Disney's publishing company.
Sheesh... this is Imagineering, not brain surgery.
Published: October 4, 2006 at 9:08 AM"Disney shouldn't even consider a second pirates attraction in their parks and I'll tell you why: the PotC rehab has been a success."
Wouldn't you think that would be the MAIN reason for a P2.0? I mean, if it's such a huge hit, they would think that with another pirates ride, it will be an even BIGGER hit.
I'm sure that's what is going through their minds. The reason I think they shouldn't do P2.0 is because of TSI. Keep it. It just needs a little work. With some refirbishment, I'm sure it will be better than ever.
If they do build a P2.0, please please please keep some of TSI.
Published: October 4, 2006 at 10:00 AMNemo anyone?? It's overdone. It's everywhere. PERMANENT structures of Finding Nemo are taking over the parks. There is no need to have ANY movie/characters (with the exception being Mickey & gang) take over more than one attraction. I think that the IDEA of a Pirate island could be a lot of fun but I say, don't do it. resist!
That being said, I love TSI as well. The cave & the bridge are great, but when you've done them as many times as I have, it gets boring and it isn't in the best of shape. It needs to be refurb'd. AND redoing it, giving it a little media attention, WILL make kids/adults interested in the story again. (which I loved as a kid)
Published: October 4, 2006 at 11:58 AMClosing TSI for a version of Pirates would break my heart.Why do they think they need TSI to compete with anything else.Why spend millions on a newer version of Pirates.Fix up the fort(how did it fall into such disrepair in the first place?)Upgrade the restrooms and not every section of Disneyland needs a restaurant.TSI is a good place to relax and wander around and escape the crowds and take time to enjoy the area.File this with the bad decision and idea of closing the Submerine Ride because it took to many people to run it and wasnt cost effective and replacing it with a Little Nemo Submerine Ride, Same ride different theme .It really makes me wonder sometimes if Disney management ever really learns from there mistakes?
Published: October 4, 2006 at 2:18 PMIt was summed up. "there's no place to eat" Tells me that they are either losing money on this section of the park, or they are not making enough. If they go to revamp it, a lot of disneyphiles would more than likely say "why would they update it? Why not just replace it?" So in that rationale, why update it? Why replace it with the same thing? It doesnt make sense, in that form of thinking,to simpy replace it with something old and out of the minds of everyone. Make it something popular!