All in all, I think both rides will be great addition, but i and especially excited about the mine train coaster.
As for the mine roller coaster, I still am a little sad that the actual Scary Adventures ride is going away. I also am afraid that the roller coaster is going to be toned down due to its location in Fantasyland.
I'm happy about these additions and can't wait to see the final product of this Fantasyland update. I voted for the Little Mermaid ride because Sebastian is just that cool.
Here is an incomplete list of Dark Rides:
Pirates of the Carribean The Haunted Mansion (Disney)Finding Nemo (EPCOT)Great Movie Ride (DHS)Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey (IOA)Spiderman (IOA)E.T (USO)Peter Pan's Flight (Disney)Mr. Toad's Wild Ride (DL)Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (MK)Roger Rabbit's Toon Spin (DL)Mike and Sully to the Rescue (DCA)
Manny -I voted for "neither", and Disney is my cup of tea. However, "pure Disney brilliance" is hardly how I would describe these attractions based on the concept art released to date. They look nice - that's about as positive a review I can give at the moment. There doesn't seem to be anything groundbreaking about either attraction, which is unfortunately ironic considering the amount of technical innovation that went into each classic film, particularly Snow White.
I would gently argue with Anthony, though, that (FWIW) the Darkride and Funhouse Enthusiasts (DAFE) organization states that darkrides can be coasters, flumes, and shows too. In fact a darkride is, by their definition, a mostly enclosed adventure that utilizes props, scenery, and sound to convey a fairly strong and immersive narrative. The ride system employed whether it be omnimover, track, water, our own feet, or a Kuka robotic arm is irrelevant. Revenge of the Mummy, Rock n Roller Coaster, Tower of Terror, Dinosaur, Indiana Jones, Splash Mountain, Journey to Atlantis, Calico Mine Ride, Fire in the Hole, Buzz Lightyear, MIB, Toy Story Mania, Stitch's Great Escape, Frankenstein's Castle, Haunted Mansion (Knoebels), etc, etc... are all considered types of darkrides by DAFE (check out this DAFE article for more info).
Now if you narrow your definition down to what folks call "classic darkrides" then you are probably correct.
I think it's smart of the Magic Kingdom to keep thier improvements more family oriented in the rides. If they want to do more thrilling type rides (stuff that would appeal more to the Islands of Adventure people maybe) then I think they should do that at Hollywood Studios..... or maybe Animal Kingdom. I think Hollywood Studios already has two rides I'd consider thrill rides, and really out of all the Disney World parks is my least favorite. I have been once and thought it was not a nice looking park and had little to do. I was not impressed. However, it seems to be the park that some of the Universal and IOA fans woud like the most because of the two thrill rides. I think that is the park that Disney would use to try to beat Universal at thier own game so to speak.... not Magic Kingdom. I think the new Fantasyland looks awesome, but if your biggest draw is thrill ride oriented it may not excite you as much as others. It will probably draw in a lot of families though!
I also really like the idea of them being able to do interesting and different things with the landscaping in the area. The drawings look awesome, and the idea of Fantasyland Forest makes me think more trees and shade. I read there will be more places for trees since a lot of the new area will not be built over the underground utility areas. Also, the fact that the land will be bigger I find nice too. Even the redo of the Winnie the Pooh ride line looks like an improvement to me.
Does anyone else feel that the circus theme does not seem...for lack of a better word, appealing? I understand that people love the Dumbo attraction, but do we really need a whole area centered around just his theme? I think that there are more popular classsic characters that could have had Toontown's place. I personally liked the idea behind Toontown and the showing off Mickey's and Minnie's homes. I don't really see my husband and I taking our children in that direction once it is completed, unless they really, REALLY want to. To me, it just seems like the imagineers ran out of ideas about what to do with this section. With the teacup ride close to the entrance of Toontown, they could have just centered the theme along Wonderland. That to me would have seemed to flow better with the rest of the Fantasyland redeux. Maybe I am missing something here while looking at the drawings.
As for the vote, I wish I could have voted for the restaurants. I am anxious to see another sitdown area for Magic Kingdom. I'm still a little unsure about the rides, but overall I think it looks great.
As they say, Disneyland was built on a dream, WDW was built on a budget. :)
I do see what the poster means about the Circus area maybe being a weak link..... I think keep Dumbo for Fantasyland is important (I don't know why, but kids love those spinning up and down things)..... but I liked her idea of expanding on the Alice in Wonderland ish idea from the Tea cups a little. A circus does not seem very Fantasy like (unless you have a flying elephant). A Circus could be it's own land I suppose though, but it seems a little real for the land of Fantasy I guess. Maybe in the future they will do something big in that area near the Tea Cups. I do think the Dueling Dumbos are needed though, and the more interesting que is always welcome. No one wants to wait in a line that just goes back and forth or herds you like cattle.
I worry that a Coaster in Fantasyland will end up like Gadget's Go Coaster. Fun for the less than 10 second ride... but not worth the wait. But I hope I'm wrong.
I Respond: Which means Shirley's Temple makes the Walt Disney World Jungle River Navigation Company (Ltd.) the greatest dark ride of them all.