Published: February 8, 2014 at 1:25 PMUtilizing the former Motor Boat Cruise area at Disneyland would be ideal.
Published: February 8, 2014 at 1:27 PMWhy not use the back corner of the park betweent Port Discovery and the Indiana Jones ride? It is undeveloped and would probably have a bit more space than Cape Cod.
Published: February 8, 2014 at 2:24 PMFrozen makes for the perfect reason to finally tear out that awful tomorrow land speedway. The footprint there is enormous and sits right next to new fantasyland.
Published: February 8, 2014 at 2:25 PMWhy not recondition Expedition Everest a la Dueling Dragons for Harry Potter? And, as a bonus, we could finally get a working Yeti (as Marshmallow). The initial capital outlay wouldn't be so bad then, either.
Published: February 8, 2014 at 2:34 PMRumors are swirling that Disney executives will soon announce that the first Frozen movie is only the beginning!
Frozen could be the first film of a new trilogy that might lead to a further two trilogies, making for a total of three Frozen trilogies or nine Frozen movies altogether!
Disney is rumored to be considering cross-marketing opportunities among the Frozen universe, Star Wars universe and Marvel Superheroes universe.
For starters, the Ewoks could should up at the Frozen castle and have tea with our heroine, only to have their tea party crashed by mean Darth Vader and hot pink Stormtroopers.
Disney executives are said to be salivating at the rich merchandising possibilities. They might even throw the Muppets into the mix just for good measure.
Meanwhile, "Frozen 3D the theme park ride" is rumored to be opening on the 12th of Never, as creating a new ride would involve real capital expenditures in USA parks that do not need them.
Published: February 8, 2014 at 3:24 PMDon't over think this. Frozen can be a ride without the pretense. One minute you're in Europe, then you're in Scandavia. The ride takes you to the fantasy location. You don't arrive there first. What fun is that? For instance, you're in New Orleans, then in the Carribean on the Pirates ride.
Published: February 8, 2014 at 3:37 PMBut my professional purpose in life is to overthink theme parks!
Published: February 8, 2014 at 3:46 PMDisney just takes far too long to ever build anything, and when they do they are so cheap. Maybe I'm just getting older, but I'm tired of waiting for a Star Wars land and I will probably be in my 70s before Disney ever builds a Frozen area. Disney just doesn't want to spend any money. I wish it was a private company and not beholden to shareholders. They would build so many more great things if they were privately owned.
I wish the Speedway could be removed at WDW and the Autopia removed at Disneyland. I like the idea of a Frozen ride going there in both places, but I really wish they'd build a Sleeping Beauty ride instead. I'd love anything to go there, so if it has to be frozen then I would love it...but a coaster themed to Sleeping Beauty and Maleficent's dragon and Phillip chasing it through the thorns is what I have always wanted. I'd like it to be just a little more adventurous than Big Thunder Mountain, but not too scary. It could be gorgeous, though.
Anyway, I think dreaming about Disney building a Frozen ride or even Star Wars is just a pipe dream. I'm ready to give up on the Mouse at this point. If Harry Potter's success at Universal could not make Disney spend money and build really awesome things then nothing ever will. That's sad to me.
Published: February 8, 2014 at 4:09 PMI think Shanghai is just taking the oxygen from the room for Disney, at this point. They're trying to build that park so fast to avoid copy-cats ripping them off during construction.
Published: February 8, 2014 at 4:39 PMRobert: I have one main selfish complaint about the majority of your story.... it seems to focus a lot on putting the new attraction overseas. I'm not trying to hear that right now. I want new attractions here, in Florida preferably.
Frozen to me is still very Magic Kingdom. I don't think it is deserving enough of an E-ticket space. I think it just needs to have a Peter Pan's Flight type space.... or even a show, since it is so musical. However, I think regardless of the numbers.... in the long term it is not universally attractive to enough diverse visitors to get an E-ticket budget.
Published: February 8, 2014 at 4:47 PMI wish there was a way for The speedway to exist but take up less room. Maybe Disney should just move the speedway to another park that needs an additional attraction or build a new mountain or attraction over the top of it and just let the speedway exist under it (going through tunnels might be cool). I know a lot of people on here hate the speedway, but a lot of people on here are not below the age of ten.
Face it, if you go to Disneyland with a child between the age of like 5 and ten, you're probably going to get stuck doing the speedway because something about it draws in the kids. They want to ride it more than a lot of other rides in the parks. I remember going at that age and it was a big draw for me at that age. And when I went with my nephew and niece, of course we had to ride the speedway. Just wish it did not take up so much space.
Published: February 8, 2014 at 5:18 PMmy first inkling was to convert Blizzard Beach.. already a winter theme... should be easy. :) just a thought.
Published: February 8, 2014 at 5:35 PMFrom Wikipedia:
"The Enchanted Snow Palace
A dark ride that was planned for Fantasyland at Disneyland. Marc Davis was instrumental in its design. It was designed as a boat ride on a river of melting ice, past naturalistic scenes of Arctic wildlife, beneath a display of the Northern Lights, and into the realm of the Snow Queen, a fantastical land populated by frost fairies and snow giants. Although eventually scrapped, extensive concept art still exists for this attraction."
Surely they'll take a look at this old stuff, right? A new dark ride in Fantasyland at disneyland would be wonderful. Maybe Pinocchio/Snow White need to be retired?
Published: February 8, 2014 at 7:42 PMI like the speedway idea or (although my wife won't like it) you could replace the beauty and the beast stage show with frozen as it has some great songs
Published: February 8, 2014 at 9:57 PMBlizzard Beach at WDW. The theme is already there, there is a very large hill to build an ice castle on. It wouldn't take a lot to convert it.
Published: February 8, 2014 at 10:36 PMIs there any room for expansion 'east' of New Fantasyland?
I would love to see Kristoff's sleigh begin at a gothic Norwegian pier near Arendelle and take you on a treacherous 3-D roller coaster immersive thrill ride through the Winter back-country, narrowly escaping Marshmallow, along with pine boughs smacking the sleigh and 'barely' grazing you, jumps and sharp turns with a grand finale at Elsa's ice palace.
I had also heard rumor from a park manager at one point that there would be dining/staged entertainment themed to Princess Tiana's restaurant and Mama Odie's bayou home in "Princess and the Frog" just NORTH of Liberty Square. This never came to fruition as of yet, but it would be exciting!
Published: February 9, 2014 at 1:44 AMLevel the Tomorrowland Speedway in WDW--village with meet & greet in castle, sleigh ride, village with chocolate shop, a sandwich/slushie restaurant(counter service). A skating rink & nightly "snow" a la MVMCP. Forced perspective mountains & ice castle in background
Published: February 9, 2014 at 7:12 AMAlthough it isn't likely to happen, I would prefer that Disney develop a 5th gate in Orlando and use Tokyo DisneySea as the blueprint. Other than Tower of Terror, Toy Story Midway Mania, and Fantasmic, everything else in that park isn't currently present in Orlando, and a Frozen ride could be used to replace one of those attractions. Since most of the development work has already been paid for by the OLC, Disney could get a new park relatively cheaply.
Published: February 9, 2014 at 7:26 AMI also like the idea of replacing the Tomorrowland Speedway with a Frozen ride. Theme park fans can do their part to combat man-made global warming by replacing those evil fossil fuel engines with a simulated horse or reindeer drawn sled. Heck, we could even find a global warming scientist to do a study showing how much it would slow down global warming, earn carbon credits for Disney, and possibly lead to government funding for the ride. I get the "cool" fuzzies just thinking that we could combat global warming with a Frozen ride.
Who says that us Fox News watching, global warming skeptics can't think outside the box! ;>)
Published: February 9, 2014 at 8:07 AMReplace Maelstrom with a Frozen restaurant. That will fit in with the redevelopment of EPCOT into Food World.
Published: February 9, 2014 at 8:59 AMPlease don't take this as disrespectful, but I think Tim above has the only viable option. A DisneySea in Orlando. That way you are free to expand Star Wars in Hollywood Studios, leave Epcot alone, and make a fifth theme park. That allows for Mystic Manor, a Frozen ride, and (gasp!) even new E ticket attractions. You accomplish many things here. One, Disney can show the world that other theme parks cannot outdo them developing. Two, it can help take strain off of the magic bands to open up more attractions for fast pass plus, to the extent that people can have four, maybe five reservations. Three, they have already stated that the theme parks are profitable. A fifth one would add to it. Look, they are past the big movie flops and seem to be turning it around. Avengers and Star Wars are on the horizon, and they really don't need to just rest on armbands.
Published: February 9, 2014 at 9:05 AMIt's not where but when? I'm guessing 2022 and I'm being kind. It takes them so long to put out a quality attraction. 8 years is about right from concept to actually be able to ride it. I mean how long has Star Wars been popular? Since 1977? and we have a bad 3d sim that's been upgraded to a 3d sim with options. An 80's dodge dart loaded with options and upgrades is still at its core a dodge dart. Now they are talking about maybe doing a Star Wars land in 4 years but now its being pushed back. Avatar came out in 2009 and they say the lands going to be ready in 2017? That's if everything's on schedule. Being on schedule what's going on with the dwarf family coaster? Are they having problems getting it up and running, they only had like 6 years from concept, and no pun intended but its dwarfed in comparison to what Universal is doing this year and in the future.
Disney is hurting because of there status qou and snail pace attitude while the suits pat each other on the back for another status qou year, Universal and other companies are seizing the day! So if we see anything worthwhile that is about Frozen it will be 8 to 10 years out at any Disney park.
I'm not holding my breath! Lead on Universal captain my captain.....
Published: February 9, 2014 at 10:52 AMFrozen was an AMAZING animation. I totally loved it. However, I concur with several other writers. Disney takes so long to turn around any attraction. I just worked for a local Disney Store and I had been a long time fan of the store. BUT, once you work for Disney, OH MY GOSH!!!!! They were so focused on the hourly profit quota--it was a wonder they didn't ask the staff to work for FREE. I'm sure they'd ask that if they could. To come to the point. I love Disney but their total obsession with the bottom line is making them a second rate industry player in my book. LONG LIVE UNIVERSAL!!! Even as a Disney fan, it seems like they do not care about the customer (DEFINITELY NOT THE WORKERS!) or offering new experiences people want (like Star Wars Land). No, all they care about is M-O-N-E-Y!!! Walt's gotta be puking right now.
Published: February 9, 2014 at 11:39 AMBlizzard beach in florida would be a perfect site & disneyland paris is in need of new attractions so a new Frozen land would be perfect there too xxx
Published: February 9, 2014 at 2:27 PMA Frozen ride will happen when monkeys fly.
Look at this 20 year back-log of attractions that Disney could have brought to Orlando years ago:
1) Indiana Jones Adventure - rated 9/10
2) Radiator Springs Racers - rated 9/10
3) Journey to the Center of the Earth - rated 10/10
4) 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea - rated 9/10
5) Fortress Explorations - rated 9/10
6) Mystic Manor - rated 9/10
7) Pooh's Hunny Hunt - rated 9/10
8) Monster's Inc. Ride and Go Seek - rated 8/10
9) Aquatopia - rated 9/10
10) Storm Rider - rated 8/10
11) Sindbad's Storybook Voyage - rated 9/10
These rides are among the best attractions that Disney has anywhere in the world. Why are none of them in Orlando?!? Development costs are paid. Blueprints are ready. Why does Disney refuse to bring these rides to Orlando?
Published: February 9, 2014 at 2:48 PMI think Walt Disney Studios in Paris is the park that needs it the most. The park lacks immersive environments and Frozen could provide it. Just like what they are already doing with the Ratatouille area in the park, a land devoted to Frozen would immerse guests into the world of the movie. I think it could do to the Studios what Carsland did to California Adventure.
I did this to show what I was imagining:
Published: February 9, 2014 at 4:40 PM@ Robert Niles
Robert, do you know if Disney has analyzed adding a 5th gate for Orlando? Disney World needs more E-ticket attractions. Lines are way too long for the best rides.
Who else would vote in favor of splitting Epcot into two parks, if this split meant that Disney added 8 E-ticket attractions? Disney will only spend the money to add these rides, if it brings them additional income.
A 5th park would encourage visitors to spend more days at Disney, and 8 new E-ticket rides would shrink wait times at all the parks.
The following attractions would fit into the new parks very well and they could be built sooner than rides that are still undeveloped:
Journey to the Center of the Earth
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
Sindbad's Storybook Voyage
Frozen and Ratatouille are 2 more rides that would fit in the new parks, once they're developed.
Published: February 10, 2014 at 12:07 PMReading all these comments about a 5th gate, my first response was, "no way, that's not gonna happen..." but the more I think about it, the more that idea could explain some of the recent activity. With Universal contemplating a 3rd gate, and building hotel capacity to support that, Disney may eventually need more ride capacity to fill its hotel rooms. Is it possible that they've been banking some of the attraction $$$ for a new park? (btw, and I owe Robert a trip report about all this, sorry Robert ;)--but my recent WDW trip was very positive, and the overall impression I got was that the WDW parks were getting more love than they have been for a while, except for the lack of new attraction construction...) That DisneySea concept would be awesome, and it's really gotten to the point that there are a full park's worth of E-tickets not represented at WDW. Florida has the magic of EPCOT, unique in the world, but the flagship resort of the lot should really have some of these rides that represent the very best of imagineering in the last 15-20 years.
Published: February 10, 2014 at 12:40 PMI love the idea of a Frozen attraction coming to Walt Disney World, however when I look at Universal I “see the glass as half full” now when I look a Disney, I see the glass as “half empty” (actually I see the glass cracked and leaking $10.00 of wine from EPCOT F&WF)
Unfortunately TEAM DISNEY is horribly cheap and misguided. Why spend any money on the four parks in Florida, when foolish people will settle for less. Since Universal has been cranking out top notch attractions, Disney’s just shrugs, ignoring the white elephant in the room. They have decided not to even compete with (The boy who shall not be named) Maybe that’s the best approach at this point, since I doubt they have anything creative up their sleeves. I guess we will know in 2017 or 2018 with Avatar. (I don’t see Avatar selling the coveted food, drink, and souvenirs that make so much money…)
The rumor mill is Universal will open up a 3rd theme park with land (re-acquired) from Lockheed Martin. It has enough land for an entire theme park an 800 room resort, shopping, and a water park. I really would like to see the faces of Disney’s brass when Universal creates an entire park, hotel, shopping, dining, and a state of the art water park in less time than it takes Disney to build one simple attraction.
I guess until people wake up and realized how lazy Disney has become in Florida, they will continue to follow the flock of sheep and give Disney their money. All of this from a huge Disney fan. (Hopefully I won’t have to regress to “previous” Disney fan.)
Published: February 10, 2014 at 1:09 PMI really think that Frozen should be in the Magic Kingdom. Even though that park just got investment, it still is in rough shape. And I really like the idea of an adventurous sleigh ride through the scenes of the movie. I would rip out the tomorrowland Indy speedway. That is a large chunk of land for one boring attraction that does not fit with anything. However, I would dream big and put a mixture of Alice in Wonderland and the Frozen village in that spot. An Alice dark ride and landscaping closer to the existing Tea Cups would be nice. Then transition over to Arendelle with the actual attraction outside the railway tracks like Space Mountain. I would use natural feature like water and trees to divide Fantasyland from Tomorrowland. It would make for a great Fantasyland experience that would be unmatched.
Published: February 10, 2014 at 4:00 PMA 3rd gate for Universal would be awesome! Universal Studios Florida and Islands of Adventure are already better than Epcot, Hollywood Studios, and Animal Kingdom.
A 3rd gate could add another Harry Potter ride, an Iron Man ride, a Thor ride, a Captain America ride. A 3rd gate might make it easier for Universal to license the rights to Lord of the Rings, Star Trek, Hunger Games, and maybe even Charlie Brown for Orlando territory.
Published: February 10, 2014 at 7:15 PMI'm going to take a different approach here. How about replacing the Great Movie Ride with a trackless Frozen ride? Disney is expanding the use of the trackless system to Paris so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to bring it to the US. Plus it would refresh an area of HS that needs it.
Published: February 11, 2014 at 12:07 PMI'm not convinced Disney is going to put in the effort to create a whole mountain and seaside village..
E-ticket attractions increase traffic into the park. Robert just posted that ticket sales are at record highs for Disney. Meanwhile, Universal is killing them on unique and highly desirable shopping/dining experiences (Diagon Alley especially). Disney can use less land, time and resources to pull in more money, quicker by copying this. I wouldn't be surprised if they build a restaurant to dine inside Elsa's ice castle (bubble snow and all!) something like Be Our Guest or Cinderella's Royal Table!
So a direct boost to Food/Merch sales, or an indirect boost to ticket sales? Which do they need more? At least here in WDW, I think ticket sales isn't the issue...
$$$$$$$$$ makes the (most magical place on) Earth go 'round
Published: February 11, 2014 at 12:28 PMI think frozen could replace the go-carts in Magic Kingdom. The last time I rode it my arm was killing me, but the gas fumes were kind of fun...lol. It takes up a huge foot print. Let's face it that area of the park is way past it's prime. I think Universal wants to get the guest for 3 days or more. They only have a few more attractions that are on the chopping block. (Kid Zone, E.T., Disaster, Sherk, Twister) IOA is pretty great, maybe an addition to Jarassic Park area and a Toon Lagoon re-do. Most of these areas could be fast tracked and completed in about two years. The next logical thing is 3rd gate and other things to side track guest for a few more days. Disney will have no choice to respond if Avatar is not completed in a cohesive time frame. People will still flock to Magic Kingdom, but they may choose to ditch 2 or 3 of the other parks, with no new additions. Disney May need to re-think there approach of false hopes and snails pace construction.
Published: February 11, 2014 at 4:19 PMDisney makes more money by accident than Universal makes on purpose. How many rides at Epcot, Animal Kingdom or Hollywood Studios are worth experiencing more than once per trip? By my count:
Four rides at Hollywood Studios: Toy Story, Twilight Zone, Rock N' Roller Coaster, Star Tours.
Three rides at Animal Kingdom: Expedition Everest, Kilimanjaro Safaris, and Dinosaur.
One ride at Epcot: Soarin'
How many rides at Universal Studios and Islands of Adventure are worth experiencing more than once per trip? By my count:
Six rides at Universal Studios: Transformers, Despicable Me, The Simpsons, Men in Black, Revenge of the Mummy, Hollywood Rip Ride Rockit.
Seven rides at Islands of Adventure: Harry Potter, Spiderman, Popeye, Dudley Do Right, Incredible Hulk Coaster, Jurassic Park, Dragon Challenge.
Published: February 11, 2014 at 4:30 PMThis is not a permanent idea but rather a temporary one and that is to add Elsa and/or Anna in place of the yeti on both the Matterhorn and Everest for a limited time.