Gabriel Schroll

Published: June 27, 2014 at 11:10 PM

I won't be reviewing the actual Universal hotels document, but I did visit the other site and it seems as if the fifth hotel is going to be a step up from Cabana Bay, but not on par with Royal Pacific, as it won't include Express Pass, but it will include water taxi service, which I think is absolutely fantastic! I think the transportation options via boat are one of the strongest draws of the on-site hotels.

As much as I'm pulling and wishing for a third gate, I am almost as excited for the new hotels, as Loew's (I always want to write Lowe's) and Universal have really done an excellent job with all of their resorts thus far. I don't see them letting us down any time soon, as they're fully aware they've raised the bar.

I commented on Ben's Ratatouille articles because that is likely to be the first Disney park outside the U.S I'll go to, and it has the best looking castle of any of them. Thanks to TPI, I know what to expect too, and can prepare accordingly. :)

Robert Niles

Published: June 27, 2014 at 11:28 PM

I think that saying the fifth hotel will be connected to the parks by the water taxi is a bit of a stretch. From what I see on the documents, there will be a pathway to walk over to the Royal Pacific's water taxi dock. That's it.

The fifth hotel appears to have interior hallways, which I do consider a step up from the Cabana Bay's motel-like exterior doors. But there's no Universal Express, so it will need to be a step down in price from the Royal Pacific.


Published: June 28, 2014 at 2:05 AM

The 2007 drawing I have shows the Cabana Bay and the fifth hotel both connected via waterway, but the final layout of the Cabana Bay when viewed on Google Earth doesn't allow for the water taxi.

DPCC inc.

Published: June 28, 2014 at 3:45 AM

How will timed entry work in Diagon Alley?
Gabriel Schroll

Published: June 28, 2014 at 6:36 AM

Too bad about the water taxi. But I imagine the original waterway was man-made, so is it such a stretch to think Universal isn't willing to extend the waterway to accommodate a new hotel? I suppose they'd have to drain the lagoon for that, and that would be a big eye sore. MK visitors are used to eye sores though. :P

Whatever happens, I have faith in the people at Universal Creative that they know what they're doing. And when it comes down to it, I wouldn't think they'll add any additional luxury level hotels, as three is likely sufficient at that price point. And nothing short of a luxury hotel should expect water taxi service. Just another reason to keep the guests dropping the big bucks at Royal Pacific, Hard Rock, and Portofino.

I'd also be surprised if there were any Harry Potter-themed hotels. It would probably be gangbusters if they could build it behind the Hogwarts Express, or elsewhere connected to one of the HP lands, providing a second entrance to one of the parks, similar to EPCOT's World Showcase. But my guess is that they need to keep any available land in that part of their property free for any possible park expansions or a third gate. Putting a hotel there would almost guarantee they won't open a third gate.

I think Universal does a great job of theming, and I can't wait to see the plans and renderings for anything they do, hotel-wise or inside the park.

Diagon Alley seems to be an "inside the park" home run. Lmao.

Court E

Published: June 28, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Universal could fit a water canal to Cabana Bay easily looking at it from Google Earth. The cost to do so for a "taxi" service might not be deemed worth the extra cost.

Being able to walk back to your resort beats a Disney bus any day of the week though.

Robert Niles

Published: June 28, 2014 at 12:01 PM

The addition of a second hotel next to the Cabana Bay (which might also be expanded by several hundred rooms) should help to explain why Universal's building such as substantial walkway to the Cabana Bay, including a bridge overpass above Adventure Way.

BTW, I'm not saying that there won't ultimately be an expansion of the resort waterway. It's just that I'm not seeing it included in the document drawings in the filing I linked. And that's definitely the sort of thing that would need to be permitted before it happens.

Rob Pastor

Published: June 28, 2014 at 2:19 PM

The Royal Pacific water taxi boarding area is a short walk from the new hotel. Also, one of the Parkscope guys, writing on OU thought the one area on the map was a connector area or bridge allowing quick access to the water taxi dock, so he surmised that the service would be available. It's also possible that Universal could add an additional dock closer to the new hotel since the lagoon almost abuts the new building. So I think the water taxi isn't really out of the equation at this point.

Published: June 28, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Here is the thing... by my last count, Disney had around 28,000 rooms available that are considered "on site".

I think Universal knows if you keep people on property, they have less tendency to visit other parks. When my wife wants to visit Sea World (skipping it this year), we pack up the rental, drive to that god awful parking lot, walk 3 blocks to the main gate and are exhausted by 4-5 PM.

Yes, the tickets are free with our vacation package, but it seems like a road trip to me. We always grab some dinner on the way back, go back to our room and freshen up, then hit IOA or the Studios that same night.

Portofino and Cabana are just far away enough to make walking a bit of a chore, but the new bridge should make things very easy.

This is just the next level in the evolution of UOR. My fear is DA and all these new additions will make the parks swell in attendance. The one thing I really despise about the Disney parks. 300 minute waits for meet & greets... ugh.

Published: June 28, 2014 at 6:05 PM

You know, I would say Disney is done except for one thing - Star Wars. They really need to get on with it.

Published: June 29, 2014 at 5:39 AM

I wonder about the impact of these no universal pass hotels on the purchases of daily universal passes. Are those being snapped up at a faster rate with hotel guests? Or will they more when these other hotels come online? So that daytrippers may have little or no chance of buying these?

I spoke with someone who looked into staying at the cheaper CB and buying tickets with the universal pass added. It was more expensive than staying at RP (obviously by design). But it would be nice to be able to stay in a bigger space (CB suites) and still have the Uni Pass.

Anyway, I wondered if there were any stats on the impact of CB on the purchases on the add-on Uni Pass.

Anon Mouse

Published: June 29, 2014 at 9:56 AM

"•Loews, Universal's hotel partner, is explicitly barred from selling to Disney or anyone else operating theme parks in Florida or Southern California"

What does this mean? Does this mean Disney or other theme park operators cannot sell vacation packages with this Loews hotel. Its strange stipulation since Universal does offer ticket packages that include SeaWorld and other theme parks and attractions.

Gabriel Schroll

Published: June 29, 2014 at 1:15 PM

I interpreted it as Loew's can't build hotels in partnership with Disney.
Robert Niles

Published: June 29, 2014 at 6:27 PM

It's a defense against a competing company getting control of the UOR hotels through buying Loews. If such an acquisition were to happen, it would terminate the management deal, and UOR could turn over the hotels to another partner.