Published: September 19, 2007 at 11:49 AMI think this is great!!!!!
At my local SF park I seen people abusing the system on every visit so anything that cuts down on people scamming to get on rides sooner is a very good policy.
Now only if disney parks would not let people abuse there system to skip ahead in line.
I dont want to sound overly crass, but if kids or adults cant handle some waiting in line then maybe a theme park visit isnt for them.
Ive just seen way too many people abuse these systems and then later laugh about it among themselves as they exit rides or walk in the parks.
Published: September 19, 2007 at 9:22 PMHURRAY! It's about time. I've seen so much abuse of this practice it's enough to make your head spin. For the mother with autistic children, have a family member go to the ride without the child and get the fast entrance pass. This way the child will not see the ride to become so upset. Another practice that really grinds me are pregnant women....I wasn't aware that pregnancy was a disability...I also thought that it was a matter of choice. I've seen women who are not even showing yet acting like they are on their last legs.. maybe they should wait until after the baby if they can't tolerate the event or just take it a little slower. Then there are the older folks (of which I am one) and the people that should walk to get exercise to help get rid of a "few extra pounds"....well I could go on for hours here.. Again HIP HIP HURRAY... lets hope some of the other parks pick up the ball!! Hey wouldn't we all like to get to the front of the line...except for the Make a wish or Give kids the World I don't see why they should have special permission to jump in front of anyone else. I know there are a few exceptions but like I stated...a few...not every case.
Published: September 19, 2007 at 4:38 PMI'm guessing they won't let another family member go in to get the pass because then they can't see the actual person with the disability.
Published: September 19, 2007 at 6:49 PMmy daughter, son-in-law,grandsons and myself were at SFGA in NJ the weekend after Labor Day. i went to guest relations and was given a paper listing the rides that i could use special enter. to board. the paper was to be siged as i boarded and could only be used once for each ride. as we did the poplar rides early we did not have to wait. i have a bad knee that steps kill, wish all rides had the sloping ramps. i was never given a return time and was given a seat along with one guest with in a couple trains on the coasters we did. i liked the way the program worked for me.
Published: September 19, 2007 at 7:43 PMYay! Finally! Make them wait like the rest of us.
Published: September 20, 2007 at 4:52 AMI feel that in most cases handicapped guests should be allowed ACCESS to rides whenever possible, in a safe and appropriate manner. But I do NOT feel that disabilities should allow guests the privilege of bypassing every queue in the park. I think the idea of a pass allowing the guest to return after a designated period of time equal to the approximate wait time, therefore avoiding the physical (or mental) demands of waiting in the queue, is very reasonable.
If you allow guests with disabilities to move to the front of the line, then you are faced with the daunting task of determining at what LEVEL the disability justifies this privilege. Is it necessary for the physically disabled, who may tire more easily? Or the mentally disabled, who perhaps become distressed by the enormous visual and audio stimulation that a theme park offers? It is at that point in determination that people are able to take advantage of the system.
This is a subject that is sensitive to me because one of my children has a disorder on the autistic spectrum. Granted, my child has a very mild form of autism, probably much milder than the parent in the featured article. But I have never considered his disability justification to move ahead in a line. If he has a day that he is not able to handle a theme park (or a shopping mall, or a restaurant...you get the idea), then we just go home, try again the next time, and call it a lesson learned. Over time I have learned to take measures to prevent meltdowns, but it will always mean more work on my part. My family should be allowed ACCESS to the park and to the rides, just like everyone else. But I don't feel that it gives me the right to have a shorter wait than the other guests.
In summary, I think Six Flags has made a wise decision.
Published: September 20, 2007 at 9:33 AMI'll play devils advocate here. Sure you have a few people abusing the system, but I think that Six Flags is really going to lose business by doing this. People with disabled children will simply not wait. Should they? Thats irrelevant, their disability prevents them from doing so. On the same token, Six Flags wants their dollar just as much as someone who is not disabled.
Published: September 20, 2007 at 10:14 AMWell, they could just say wait in line!
Being part of a group with a person in a wheelchair, it rocked cutting the line at Disney World. However, if you have checked, all the lines are Wheelchair acessable now. Fastpasses are the best alternative to this issue.
Even so, responding to the quote, with fastpasses, you still need to wait a bit in a line. Soarin is a nightmare onto itself!
I know I am in the minority, but fastpass-esque practices seem great to me! I have never, and I mean never, had a problem with any of those "wait for a time" thing.
Published: September 20, 2007 at 10:54 AMIt isnt a few people abusing the system, it is numerous people intentionally abusing a system. If people have a disability that is "so severe" that they cant wait a resonable amount of time to get on a ride, then a theme park visit may not be right for them and they should return when they can handke it.
Published: September 20, 2007 at 12:26 PMWell folks, here's a little education, some here are more ignorant than others.(You know who you are).
Published: September 20, 2007 at 1:55 PMI am NOT ignorant - I believe in being inclusive, but if someone is so disabled as to require a wheelchair, then perhaps they shouldn't be riding the attraction. READ THE WARNING SIGNS! Suppose the car hangs at the top of the lift? Who's going to risk their lives to get them out of that situation? I'm not denigrating the ride workers - they have a hard enough job for darn few dollars as it is...but they shouldn't have to play Super(wo)man to rescue someone with not enough sense to avoid potentially dangerous situations. Ask the ride operators at SheiKra about the evacuation lift...
Published: September 20, 2007 at 9:40 PMOh wow! Relax everybody!
The terrible point is that people are taking advantage of the system. Now I am not saying that everybody is doing this! Sure, there are people with special needs and they get the most punished here because idiots have ruined it for them! Its just like other policies that change because one person takes total and unfair advantage of it.
Also, let us remember that this is Six Flags, not all theme parks. Honestly, I do not think Six Flags cares as much about the patron/guest as Busch, Universal, or Disney.
I also do not think anybody is ignorant on this site. I think that we have all seen, including myself, people who take total advantage of it. Funny, its mostly at Six Flags. Also, if there is such a problem with them waiting in line (if thats the only option) then take it up with Guest Services. I am pretty sure they can accomidate that special request individually.
Oh and name calling on the site is not nice at all! Let everybody be entitled to their opinion without more or less saying they shouldn't be born or a failure to humanity.
Published: September 20, 2007 at 10:23 PMWhen I was an attractions host at Walt Disney World (1988-91), Disney's policy, as explained to me, was that "wheelchair parties" (as they were called) had no inherent right to skip the line. When possible, they were to go through the regular queue. Where not possible for a wheelchair to navigate the queue, the person in the wheelchair, plus an attendant, were to wait at load for the rest of the party to come through the queue.
In practice, we hated having wheelchair parties gumming up the works waiting long periods on already crowded load/unload platforms, so we just sent the whole party through with them and loaded 'em immediately. But that did lead to a public assumption that the policy was that wheelchair parties got a free pass.
Now, there were, and are, cases where a person's disability leaves them unable to handle long queue waits. In those cases, if we were making the "wheelchair parties" wait, then someone with the party would have had to explain the situation to a lead and convince him/her to let them through. Which, if you presented a stereotypical autistic-looking kid in a wheelchair (or were wearing a Give Kids the World or Make a Wish button) was usually pretty easy to do.
Published: September 21, 2007 at 12:24 AMI must say that I have been on the receiving end of a group with disabilities. I did feel as if I was taking advantage of the situation, but you have to realize that everyone wants to keep their party together. I don't think there is a magical solution to this since no one will be happy with any of the scenarios.
I have friends who have children with various "special needs" and I really do understand that these children are not capable of standing in a line for a significant time. In the past these families would have to just skip visits to amusement parks. I applaud the industry for helping all of those in need to experience the thrills of going to Disneyland, Magic Mountain, Knott’s, or any of the parks around the US.
I think that we have become a bit desensitized to the situation because we see large groups of people misusing the privilege. I don't think a teenager in a cast really needs to be allowed (with a huge party of friends) to go to the front of the line just because they are using a wheelchair. If people would not take advantage of the loopholes in the system, the people that really need to go to the front of the line would not be seen as a pariah.
Published: September 21, 2007 at 6:45 AMat magic mountain, i would see many guest abuse this system that were not disabled. on the card, they would try to get a come back time on every ride right away. i would always point to where it stated on the card that only 2 active reservations could be made at one time. i would tell them they could ge a time for this ride after one of the other ones was completed, or i could cross one of them off and give them a time for this ride.
Published: September 23, 2007 at 6:06 AMI have to admit that I was at one point guilty of abusing the system. I have a cousin with a severe vision disability accompanied by a learning disability. We often took advantage of this to jump the line at theme parks. The problem lies in the fact that it wasn't just myself escorting him onto the rides, but everyone who was with us that day...ALSO...in reality none of his disabilites inhibited his ability to wait in line just like everyone else. Why am I telling you this?? For one, I was young (in my teens) ignorant and arrogant. In retrospect we have probably made problems for other guests by adding to their overall wait, we probably slowed the overall capacity of the rides for the day and we have probably broken up groups who planned on and put the work into riding together on certain coasters.
I no longer practice this..and I apologize to anyone who has been delayed by anyone doing this. When I see it happen in parks I really don't have the right to get mad, but it is easy to see who the abusers are. I, for one, am glad to see some parks gaining some control.