Where's the Love for Sea World?

Sea World Orlando: Anything new coming to Shamu's house?

From Erik Yates
Posted March 2, 2005 at 12:19 AM
Okay, Sea World doesnt seem to get much love. I love it, they can do a bit more than just add shops though, but i all out love it. One of the most uncrowded parks in Orlando, but then again how many times can you ride Kraken (I'm going on 250) and how many times can you get spit on by a dolphin and still get excited? Anyone hear anything about anything new besides the revamped dolphin show?

From Russell Meyer
Posted March 2, 2005 at 7:07 AM
Sea World in Orlando has received a number of ugrades over the past few years. They got brand new lagoon/waterfront area last year that included the nighttime spectacular to compete with EPCOT and MGM. I'm not sure what you want. The reason Sea World is so successful is beacuse it offers attractions that are vastly different from everything else that you can get in Orlando. A park just can continuously add multi-million dollar attractions every six months to please the frequent visitor who gets bored doing the same things every visit. Could Sea World use some upgrades, absolutely, but I would much rather see them upgrade the very 70's penguin and manatee exhibits than add something new. Sea World is not about rides, and the three that they have, Kraken, Atlantis, and Wild Arctic, are more for diversion than primary reasons to enter the park. Just be glad that Sea World does have Kraken, San Diego's park just got its first real ride last year, JTA.

From Jason Lester
Posted March 2, 2005 at 11:06 AM
Even with JTA Sea World San Diego sucks.

From Anthony Murphy
Posted March 2, 2005 at 2:13 PM
It is very intersting that nothing is said about this park since. according to TPI, is one of the best parks on this site. It does do well for being with Universal and Disney. I like what they did with the shark area where there is now a place to eat. Good stuff!

From Robert Niles
Posted March 2, 2005 at 3:59 PM
I love the Busch parks, and have often wondered why they don't elicit the kind of passion that we see from Disney and even Universal fans.

I'm left with the idea that while many people love animals, it's hard for most folks to bring the same passion for animals in general, or even a specific species, that people can show for an individual character. Especially when Busch treats its "characters" with relative dignity, generally refusing to anthropomorphize them the way Disney and Universal do with their cartoon animals.

Plus, parents who are Disney fans welcome the chance to pass that love for Disney along to their kids at an early age. It's real tough, as a parent, to think about trying to hook your kid on a theme park run by a brewery. So, pretty much no parent tries.

From Erik Yates
Posted March 2, 2005 at 4:09 PM
Exactly what i'm seeing. Even though yes they have added tons of new things to the waterfront, its mostly just shops and restaurants that while they are great and all, it would just be nice to see some new attractions, and yes while they are about the animals am i wrong or even selfish to think that they could do with some more rides, and even the ones they have, put them with more of an educational spin (i.e. wild arctic) so that while we are enjoying the hell out ourselves we can also learn a little something. And yes a revamp to the penguin encounter would definately be a nice change, as well as add some different animal attractions or change up some of the ones they have..,....i'm not saying...i'm just sayin

From Derek Potter
Posted March 2, 2005 at 6:07 PM
I always liked the Sea World in Orlando. I was sad to see the one in Ohio go. Busch parks seem to be really low key in the media and on the internet. Even the new rides this year don't seem to be generating that much hype. I guess that the parks just don't generate very much news, yet here we hold the parks in high regard. It goes like this....We don't hear of much bad news coming out, and Busch doesn't really have problems, so people don't talk about them. People would rather talk about Disney's problems, or how bad Six Flags is...we talk more about Disneys crap movies here than we do Busch parks. Busch does their job well though, I consider them the best all around park company, and I know I'm not alone there.

From Arthur Cashin
Posted March 2, 2005 at 6:54 PM
Remember, they overinvested in Discovery Cove across the road. They are just now getting around to improvements in the other park.
Since the park is still show based as opposed to continuious attractions, they still need to learn how to handle the crouds. All the shows are on one side of the park and the rides are on another, that is the main problem.
It seems no matter what they do, the Shamu Stadium is never big enough to handle the people.
Busch has done one thing right, the food and the beer definitely improve the park.

From Derek Potter
Posted March 3, 2005 at 7:24 AM
Nothing helps you serve the brew better than being backed by a brewery.

From Erik Yates
Posted March 3, 2005 at 3:08 PM
I agree that they definately tried a little too hard and spent too much on Discovery Cove, especially since the majority of people like me will hardly ever be able to afford to take the whole family and spend a day there. Its better invested in parks like Disney for a day or Universal for a year or all the busch parks for two years. Still i love Sea World and yes the beer definately helps.

From Jason Lester
Posted March 3, 2005 at 8:15 PM
While Sea World Orlando has Kraken, Discovery Cove has much more animal interaction which is what makes these types of parks hits or misses.

From Tim Hillman
Posted March 4, 2005 at 7:35 AM
I like Sea World and try to visit it every 4 years or so, but it’s pretty darn obvious why Sea World doesn’t elicit the passion like a Disney or Universal park. What’s to get passionate about? Where’s the characters to identify with? Where’s the bad guys to hate? They aren’t there. That’s the problem with Sea World.

Don’t get me wrong here, folks. I’m only being slightly cynical, but I’m right. Everything is so nice in the park, but if you’re going to have passion, you’ve got to have a little hate in there to go with the love. Every great novel or movie has a great bad guy or two. The same rule applies to theme park attractions. Snow White’s Adventures has the evil queen. Peter Pan has Capt Hook. Jurassic Park has the T-rex. American Idol has Simon Cowell. What ride or attraction at Sea World has a bad guy to boo? If anything, about the only bad guys you’ll see at Sea World is us and our depredations of the natural world, and personally speaking, I don’t need that guilt trip. I want to enjoy my filet-o-fish sandwich at Micky D’s.

If I go to a Disney park, I want my picture taken with Grumpy and Goofy. Why? Because they’re my boys! I identify with them. Every single day of my life I’m a little grumpy and goofy. I go to Universal and I’m looking for the Blues Brothers. Why? Because they’re cool in a slightly geeky way. That’s me! I’m there! So who do I want my picture taken with when I’m at Sea World? Shamu? Clyde and Seamore? The walrus? Oh yeah, I can just see the comments from family and friends, “So, Tim which one of you is the walrus in this here shot?” Uh huh, not going to happen, that’s for sure.

Sea World does fine being nice, but if they ever want to get near and dear to my heart they’ve got to change. Add a Shark Tale ride. Put in a Crocodile Hunter show. (I’m cheering for the snakes and crocodiles. Go get him, boys!) Now, there’s a picture and t-shirt opportunity right there! Add a Jungle Cruise type of ride where you can pretend you’re Greenpeace and you’re battling evil Japanese whalers. (Not in my lifetime, but I had to add something for you libs out there.) How about a motion simulator ride based on The Fish and Mr. Limpet? Now, Don Knotts is somebody I can identify with. (Not sure if I’d want to wear a t-shirt with Mr. Limpet on it though. People might get the wrong idea.)

See! It really isn’t that hard. (No pun intended.) Add a little attitude to the park, and you’d have the passion.

From Meyers Jacobsen
Posted March 4, 2005 at 11:48 AM
Regarding Sea World, I like the park, especially San Diego, the original park. I was there when in opened in 1964 and it has grown and matured tremendously since then. Three times the size.

The SD City Council, which gave the lease to the first park group, did not want it to be a carnival ride park and placed restrictions of it to this day. Sea World had to fight just to get JTA approved. Reviews on it seem mixed.

Ride approval in Orlando was not a problem, but the company still wants rides as an extra added attraction, not the main reason for visiting. It is about marine life and real animals some in unique shows, not mechanical devices.

Not need to have a villains, it is not a movie, but if you need villains, see the shark exhibit. Real villains, at least in the publics mind.

Sea World is not Disneyland or Six Flags, so don't expect it to be. It was not based on beloved cartoon characters, but created its own just for the park. Shamu (the real one) is probably as well known as most Disney characters.

It is nice alternate experience, perhaps a little quiet for some, but if you want thrills or character-themed rides, go to another park.

Personally, I'm don't think every new ride at Disneyland has to have a cartoon character as part of the theme. Some of the best Disney rides do not.

For shows, exhibits, landscaping, etc, Sea World is just about as good quality as Disneyland. I'll give the edge to Disney for rides, but only because that is their focus, or at least is supposed to be.

From Robert Niles
Posted March 4, 2005 at 12:43 PM
Ultimately, storytelling defines great theme parks. And it's tough to make nonfiction stories as entertaining as fictional ones. This is the problem that confronted Epcot over the years.

Of course, as a journalist, I know that great storytellers can craft gripping nonfiction narratives. And SeaWorld's do a fine job -- but they typically fail to "stick" with you after you leave, they way Disney's and Universal's do.

As non-fiction parks, SeaWorld and Epcot (and, to a lesser extent, Animal Kingdom and BGT) need to freshen their stories on a more regular basis than the non-fiction parks must. They need to use technology aggressively to immerse vistors in narrative. Both could be doing better than they are (and if one showed the way by breaking ahead of the park, I suspect the others would soon follow), but it is a credit to the power of the stories they do tell how well these parks have performed over the years. People will respond to non-fiction storytelling, if it is presented well.

From Tim Hillman
Posted March 4, 2005 at 1:45 PM
Meyers and Robert, I pretty much agree with you all. I think Sea World does a wonderful job with their product, but I still find it difficult to be interested in going to the park more than once every 4-5 years whereas I can't get enough of Universal and sometimes Disney. To me, Sea World is a little like broccoli. I know its good for me, but I don't want to see it on my plate more than once a week. Disney and Universal are more like pizza. Good enough to me have several days a week but leaving me feeling a little guilty for wanting it so much.

I also don't buy into the argument that Sea World and Epcot have to be non-fiction parks. Why? Why not an entertaining mixture of the real world and the fantasy world? Is there some hard and fast rule that says that if your attractions are themed to animals or technology they have to be realistic? I don't think so, and Disney seems to be following the path of blending fiction and non-fiction in Animal Kingdom. (Now if they would only open up the purse strings and spend some significant money on the park.)

I'm just proposing that Sea World adds some leavening to the batter. Who wants crackers when they can have bread?

(Yeesh! All the analogies involving food! I've got to get off this diet.)

From Pete Brecht
Posted March 4, 2005 at 3:19 PM
I haven't been to Sea World yet, but aren't JTA and Kraken fiction-based? I know that both rides have gotten good reviews.

From Robert Niles
Posted March 4, 2005 at 5:40 PM
To clarify, yes, SW and Epcot have plenty of fiction content. But the overall theme and tone of the park are non-fiction.

From Jason Lester
Posted March 4, 2005 at 6:29 PM
The basic theme of both parks is animal preservation and education.

The rides seem to be an afterthought.

From Derek Potter
Posted March 4, 2005 at 7:03 PM
The rides were to help bring in the thrillseekers and be competitive. Having purely educational attractions only take a park so far....especially when the Orlando market is so saturated.

From Jason Jackson
Posted March 4, 2005 at 10:19 PM
Well if you think about it, Families love to be able to combine adventure with a vacation. Perhaps it is a change of pace at Sea World. The shops and cuisine are the profit makers in the parks and shopping is considered to be one of the favorite pastimes for vacationers! Look at Busch Gardens Williamsburg, one of their most popular shops is the Waterford Crystal shop in Ireland. There is something about the elegant nature of the shops...and of course they do have the multi-million million dollar Curse of Darkastle coming in this year at BGW as well.

From Jason Lester
Posted March 5, 2005 at 10:41 AM
But people don't go to theme parks JUST for shopping and eating.

From Jason Jackson
Posted March 6, 2005 at 7:07 AM
Yeah but I don't think the Busch parks think of themselves as Theme Parks.

From Robert Niles
Posted March 6, 2005 at 11:31 PM
Well, no one outside the company seems to be going along with the "adventure parks" moniker. And they certainly don't strike anyone as "amusement parks." Not with so few carny-type rides. And given that each park has a *theme* -- whether it be Africa, Europe, Sesame Street or the Sea -- well, "theme parks" it is then.

From Carrie Hood
Posted March 15, 2005 at 12:32 AM
Okay coming from someone who devoted may years of work to Seaworld and the Busch Family, from someone who stands behind this park 150% (except a few how-things-are-run items which I won't go into) let me explain a bit.

Seaworld isn't a theme park or a ride park. The primary point is education and conservation, of both marine animals an the environment as a whole. The main goal will always be this, while they may have gone to a more all encompassing area the primaries will never be lost. Mainly because A-B believes in the parks as companies and the good they do on a whole, thus when you got a multi-billion dollar backer you can keep your main goal. Seaworld is above all, a zoo for water creatures. No one expects or should expect a zoo to put in huge coasters and rides to entertain the public when that's not even close to the goal.

While SWO has added a few rides I think they deserve much more credit for not selling out to the money lure of big rides and huge attractions. They've kept they're original purpose and I can't see this changing anytime in the future. I also congratulate them for adding JTA and Kraken to the park, both are great additions. In coming years I'm sure with other exhibits and shows we will also see new rides, rides which will complement rather then subtract from the overall environment of the park.

Someone made the comment that because a beer company owns Seaworld that it's a big turn off to parents in regards to inspiring they're children to have a passion about the park. I find that somewhat wrong considering they also own Sesame Place, which is based off a children's show. I don't think inspiring your kids to find passion in animals or in a park devoted to them has squat to do with the parent company, Budwieser isn't very prevalent in SWO except for two Bud merchandise stores and the Hospitality House. Besides, I don't think many kids give a care about beer or who owns what.. they are far more interested in the shows and fuzzy animals.

I really don't even think SWO should be lumped into the class as Disney or Universal because it's just to radically different and probably always will be. :)

As for new things coming to the park, yes there are things are the drawing board that will be popping up in coming years. Realize these things run on a trend, you get Manitee and Wild Artic.. JTA and then Ports of Call. Kraken then the Waterfont.. now going on this cycle what do you think is going to come next? ;) When I left the park there where some mighty interesting things on the proposal board, the question is what will be next?

From Jason Lester
Posted March 15, 2005 at 6:14 PM
Can you tell us some of the proposed ideas or are they, like confidential or something.

From Erik Yates
Posted March 16, 2005 at 6:08 PM
I think the key word there is since you left....dont leave us frothing.....
But no, I am speaking as one who goes to the park ALOT...not like some of the ones that think its a great five year park. It really just seems that it did come up with some really great attractions, like the manatee habitat, and kraken and wild arctic, then they do something like the waterfront...while the addition of new shops and places to eat were wise business decisions, and yes it is a business, for some like me who loves the park, it would be great to see some new things pop up like the bigger parks....FORGET THE BUSINESS SIDE AND THE MONEY! lol....And again it is a zoo, my children have learned quite a bit and are more aware of the animals and conservation than most kids their ages, but they also teased us with just a taste of fun, and like a good steak or movie...who can be satisfied with just a taste? I'm not sayin, i'm just sayin.

From Carrie Hood
Posted March 17, 2005 at 8:44 PM
Rumor Time!

The most common one talked about is adding the Clydesdale hitch to the park, so you can watch as they ready the hitch for the daily trips around the park.

There is also one flying around about another ride going up in the next two years or so, thought it hasn't been confirmed yet. I heard this threw the grapevine of employees I'm still friend with that this is the common gossip right now. The guess is another simulator but some have talked about a thrill ride or coaster. Common thought is if not a simulator it'll be something smaller but a coaster. If your familair with Dorney Park in PA I'd guess the size would be similar to Talon (a small but awesome coaster).

Thats all I've heard lately, but it's nice to contemplate!

From Bruce Lane
Posted April 23, 2005 at 9:34 AM
It's hard for me to truly "love" Sea World. Yes, they've done some good things, but they also have a very turbulent history. At one time, for example, they were owned by Harcourt Brace Jovanovich (yes, the book publisher) who had absolutely no clue what to do with the place.

I believe their later acquisition by Busch was a Good Thing overall, but I still have plenty of issues with them, primarily on their habit of wanting to push their view of what Nature is rather than letting real truths about the animals leak out.

I'll make the same suggestion here that I made in my trip report. Anyone who's planning to visit Sea World, or anyone who has visited and come away with a nagging sense that something Just Isn't Right about the place, go and pick up a copy of "Spectacular Nature: Corporate Culture and the Sea World Experience" by Susan Davis, University of California Press.

Although a bit dry in places (remember, this is a university professor who wrote it), it provides a heck of a lot of insight as to why Sea World behaves as they do. I found it to be quite the eye-opener.

I do want to make one other thing clear: I'm not "against" Sea World, nor am I out to "bash" them. I have a lot of respect for their physical facilities, and for the people that take care of the animals. All I'm saying is don't look at the parks through rose-colored glasses. Keep an analytical (and slightly cynical) eye on the place, and don't let them snow you with propaganda.

Keep the peace(es).

From david mcfarlane
Posted July 23, 2005 at 3:34 PM
to all those that are slating this park as a theme park. this park is a educatonal park giving you the chance to learn. it is not a thrill ride park. sw is quite sedate compared to disney and universal. i have been going to florida from the uk every year for the past 10 yrs now and every year i go to seaworld. i love this park and the way that over the years they haven't gone the same way as disney and universal with thrill rides. this park is not about thrill rides, its about there are more things to parks than thrill rides, educating us is sea life what goes on that we dont see very often. so come on guys give seaworld a break.

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