How to Improve Universal Studios Hollywood?

Universal Studios Hollywood: USH seriously needs new rides and/or shows. So what are your ideas on how to improve this SoCal park?

From Jason Lester
Posted July 25, 2005 at 7:27 PM
This discussion started in the thread Hollywood Baby and will continue here. Primarily, what can be done to fix up Universal Studios Hollywood and give the park a much needed boost?

From Ryan Milanio
Posted July 25, 2005 at 8:32 PM
As pretty much everyone agrees that BackDraft and SFX must go. They can totally use that space for something more interesting. Like people said before, Back to the Future is showing its age. The screen has holes and much much better technology exists. Those are the top 3 that must go. The old Wild Wild West Stunt Show has some room for an some sort of attraction. Any suggestions what they should do with that area?

From Adriel Tjokrosaputro
Posted July 26, 2005 at 1:40 AM
Well,War Of The Worlds the ride will be great!It will be the same ride as Spider-Man!Remember when the Tripods are shooting you with something like a laser?It will be great if you ride something that just want to shoots you!

From Danny Bernard
Posted July 26, 2005 at 1:54 AM
Oh yea never thought of that one, seems feasible. Probably in T2 later on?

From Josh Revani
Posted July 26, 2005 at 9:21 AM
How about taking Backdraft and Special Effect Stages into one building that can make Men In Black: Alien Attack. Also, make Back to the Fututre into a Fast and the Furious ride (Which is exactly like Back to the Future)Plus, the idea of the War of the Wars is a great idea, so how about taking the T2:3D for that, now I also like the idea of aliens coming to you, also put Live actors!! Live Actors make the show Great!

From Jason Lester
Posted July 26, 2005 at 9:34 AM
Imagine, A Tom Cruise double runs onto stage and preaches the evil of psychiatry to you.

JK, but I like the idea of WOTW in T2 and think it could work. Maybe in about a year or so it could go in, it's to soon right now and would require complete redesign of the whole interior of the T2 building.

The whole SFX and Backdraft being combined for Men In Black was brought up before and I really like it. I think it would provide a huge space and a fun ride. Another suggestion for the SFX/Backdraft area was a Doom ride, which I'm all for to. It could use the same technology of MIB and provide a different experience. It would be better than just building a clone of MIB. I also heard the idea for a Fearfall ride, which I like, but not as much as the other two ideas.

From Jeffrey Torres
Posted July 26, 2005 at 12:34 PM
the war of the worlds idea is a good idea because it made a lot of money in the box office. but how about instead of a men in balck ride in the lower lot it could be a war of the worlds ride. it would be exactly the same as men in black. you shoot aliens. so then it wont be a copy of the one in fordia but it would be the exact same.

From Josh Revani
Posted July 26, 2005 at 3:50 PM
Jeffery, that is a great idea, but the doom ride is really bad, and so I thought of Putting the War of the Worlds laser shooting dark ride at the lower lot, and making T2:3D to a better show, like WaterWorld, and also a better 3D show

From Josh Revani
Posted July 26, 2005 at 3:52 PM
Plus, READ THIS!! Fast and the Furious ride (exactly like BAck to the Future) for the bttf. Fast and the Furious 3 is coming out and it would make a good ride! Plus, I'm getting so annoyed of the VAN HELSING RIDE! OMG, that ride is so not scary!! How about putting a dark ride in it. A scary freaky dark ride...

From Jeffrey Torres
Posted July 26, 2005 at 4:54 PM
i agree that van helsing is a not scary at all but some people like it and some people are scared of it. when i went on it the second time there were people that were scared and walked backwards out of it. so they might as well leave there. and besides there is nothing to put there. it is to small. maybe they can make based on another movie.

From Jason Lester
Posted July 26, 2005 at 6:20 PM
How can you say that the Doom ride is bad when one doesn't even exist? There is no Doom ride! You haven't been on a Doom ride, so who are you to say that a Doom ride is bad?

From Jeffrey Torres
Posted July 26, 2005 at 7:12 PM
there is a doom ride. it is in islands of adventure. i have never been to islands of adventure so i have never been on it. it is called doctor dooms fearfall. acording to theme park insider it isnt that good so that is why it isnt that good.

From Josh Revani
Posted July 26, 2005 at 8:05 PM
LOL Jason, Jeffery's right, thats what I meant, LOL!

But Van Helsing could go for a dark ride, a king koong ride perhaps? And the Doom ride, I know what it is, it goes up fast and it comes down slow, that why its bad, how about taking out that boring Animal Planet Show for the Incredible Hulk fearfall ride for Animal Planet. It can go up slow, then it would go down about 60 miles per hour, its like 10 mph of Jurassic Park's mph (50)

From Danny Bernard
Posted July 26, 2005 at 11:04 PM
I think theres a matter of confusion here: The Doom ride Jason and I were talking about would be one based on the ulatra-violent video game. Now you guys are speaking of the Doom free-fall ride at IoA. I think one based on the video game, a dark ride shoot-em-up would be great, and a War of the Worlds 3-D movie, say in T2-3D theatre.

From Jason Lester
Posted July 27, 2005 at 12:02 AM
Danny's right. I was talking about a Doom ride based on the new movie coming out. It's also a video game.

You're thinking of Dr. Doom, a Marvel villian. They're two different things.

From Josh Revani
Posted July 27, 2005 at 8:43 AM
Oh, I understand, So we'll put the Dr.Doom ride somewhere, but there has to be a story, and how about war of the wars alien shooting ride? You want it a 3D show?

From Jason Lester
Posted July 27, 2005 at 11:28 AM
I'm not talking about putting Dr. Doom in. I'm talking about putting "Doom" in. It would be the same thing as MIB excpet it's a different setting. It's just better then cloning MIB from the Orlando one. Same technology, same idea, different ride.

From Jeffrey Torres
Posted July 27, 2005 at 12:58 PM
i dont think that a doom shooter ride would be good. i like the idea of war of the worlds shooting ride. and if they were going to build a incrdible hulk ride it would be a rollar coaster. and i do agree that they should take off animal planet live. they could put a new show.

From Danny Bernard
Posted July 27, 2005 at 1:45 PM
A War of the Worlds ride would hard, because having those walkers look down at you is an wffect that isnt easy to do. A Doom ride would be easier because the monsters are around the same height as people. See it would make more sense to put a War of the Worlds show in T2-3D because the effect of a big hulking piece of metal flying at you is scarier than shooting at said chunk of metal.

From Jeffrey Torres
Posted July 27, 2005 at 3:23 PM
that is a good point and it is a good idea, but universal would never do that.

From Josh Revani
Posted July 27, 2005 at 4:11 PM
But the monsters are too scary for other children (somewhere 11, 12, 13 years old) And there is a doom movie that is Universal... Good thinking guys good job, SO YOU WANT THIS PLACE TO BE IN THE BACKDRAFT AND SPECIAL EFFECT STAGES PLACE? And you guys are like themepark gods, you guys should run Universal accept those bitches who ran it.

So this is what we got

1. Fast and the Furious ride
2. Doom the ride
Now lets concentrate on the War of the Wars 3D show, and the Animal Planet, Fear factor, and WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE WILD WILD WEST STUNT SHOW???

From Jeffrey Torres
Posted July 27, 2005 at 6:34 PM
who cares if little kids are scared of it. universal is not a kids theme park, but universal puts kids stuff because kids come. and i know what happened to the wild west stunt show. they couldnt afford it so they shut it down for ever. and they cant afford to take the whole arena down so they just left it there.

From Jason Lester
Posted July 27, 2005 at 6:38 PM
I'm all for WOTW taking over T2's building. I think that the lasers shooting at you could be really cool and there could be some really nice live effects. Overall, if done right, it could come out great.

Jeffrey, why don't you like the idea of a Doom ride?

From Josh Revani
Posted July 27, 2005 at 7:17 PM
The WOTW idea is exellent, how about a 3D shows where you shoot aliens with your gun. The seats can move left, right, straight, back and you can get points, the most points can be the one when you shoot the aliens on the head. And that could take over T2:3D, and Doom the RIDE could take over Special Effect Stages and Backdraft Arena. Plus, the Fast and the Furious ride could take over the Back to the Future. So right now we're on the right track, now lets go talk about Van Helsing: Fortress Dracula. I want to put a dark ride in it, do you think thats a good idea, and also it can have some thrills in it. How about a dark ride

From Jeffrey Torres
Posted July 27, 2005 at 9:05 PM
the reason why the doom ride isnt good because of many reasons. i dont think it would be that fun and it wouldnt help universal with its attendance. and it doesnt sound fun at all.

From Josh Revani
Posted July 27, 2005 at 10:38 PM
Ok, but would be good, or how about a Van Helsing shoot up ride, where you can shoot vampires, etc..

From robert nickerson
Posted July 27, 2005 at 11:28 PM
Ok, here's what i would do

1. I would change the T23D show into a Matrix 3D show

2. change the Van Helsing walk through in to a Van Helsing themed resturant with full service.

3. Waterworld would become the Spiderman ride from IOA

4. Change Shrek in 4D back into the ET ride (I know it's old, but does USH need 2 3D shows?)

5. Make backdraft into a War of the Worlds thing like Backdraft

6. Back to the Future would be reshot so that you would need 3D glassess to wear

7. Jurrasic Park would be rebult comppletly indoors and would get a Willy Wonka theme

8. Jurrasic park would be rebult into the SFX building

So what do you think?

From Jason Lester
Posted July 28, 2005 at 12:15 AM
Well, I think the JP idea is awful seeing as how CATCF was awful and JP isn't the easiest ride to just build somewhere else.

Everyone says Doom is a bad idea for a number of reasons, but nobody's given any concrete answers as to why. Why would it lower attendance? The game is very popular and if the movie does well, when then couldn't it raise attendance? Just because you're not into Doom doesn't mean others aren't.

From Danny Bernard
Posted July 28, 2005 at 1:33 AM
Last I checked Warner Bros. has the Matrix rights, so not sure if that works.And the same goes for Charlie and the Chocolate factory.
I love the E.T. idea. I loved that ride, and the Van Helsing restraunt would be awsome Franken-Burgers anyone?

Now I'm not sure about anyone else but I think WaterWorld is the best show at USH, and I would never dream of taking it down.

And CATCF awful? Whats up with that?

From Danny Bernard
Posted July 28, 2005 at 1:41 AM
Oh and Universal is most definetly NOT kid friendly so it wouldn't make any difference wheather the ride was "too" scary. Maybey Universal can even shy small children away from USH and focus on more adult themed rides such as a Doom dark ride or a King Kong in your face 3D movie.

From Adriel Tjokrosaputro
Posted July 28, 2005 at 2:11 AM
Ehm,ehm,Spider-Man has its attration.Why don't we build the rides based on the new movie FANTASTIC 4?

From Jeffrey Torres
Posted July 28, 2005 at 2:10 AM
those 8 reasons that i ride were hoorible. i dont want back to the future in 3d. i want them to take that off and build fast and the furious. and matrix and willy wonka are warner brothers so you can forget about that.and the other ideas are horrible. and now that i see it. the doom ride is a good idea. and would attract lots of people. so that would be good because universal needs more people in the park.

From Adriel Tjokrosaputro
Posted July 28, 2005 at 6:07 AM
Hey,hey!They should build some ride that has a great theming.The Island The Ride will be great,though!

From Josh Revani
Posted July 28, 2005 at 9:02 AM
The Island is a 20th Centry of Fox film, and Universal wasn't even part of it, but I don't like the idea of Van Helsing to a restaraunt because how do you know it has full service? And DONT CHANGE SHREK! OK, But Put Shrek to another ride like a ET 20th Anniversary ride, a different kind of ride, or how about a Woody Wood Pecker ride, the one on Orlando.

Plus, Keep JP, just change it a little, and the ride would be better

And I think the idea of the Fantastic 4 3D show is a great idea or a King Kong Show, choose which one is a good idea...KING KONG OR FANTATIC 4

And I dont think your taking my advice, take away SPecial Effect Stages and Backdraft to a VAN HELSING SHOOT UP RIDE, WITH THOSE VAMPIRE GIRLS ON THE TOP, AND OTHER CREATURES AROUND YOU.

O ya, waterworld is popualar, so dont evem think about talking away, probably it will get old, but do we even have room to put a Spiderman 3D ride?

And there is a restaraunt right next to Van Helsing, Frank-n-stine, so how about putting Van Helsing to a haunted ride called Doom the Experience

From Russell Meyer
Posted July 28, 2005 at 9:48 AM
Actually The Island is a Dreamworks/Warner Brothers film. Fantastic 4 is Fox. I'm not sure what kind of rights Fox has on the Fantastic 4 characters, but their agreement may supercede Universal's agreement with Marvel. Fantastic 4 is not the blockbuster everyone was looking for, and the sequel doesn't have much buzz behind it. Not to mention, the comic book community is pretty furious what happened with the movie with many calling it the most disgraceful comic-movie adaptation of all time. Personally, I thought Fantastic 4 was pretty awful, even when I considered they had to use 3/4 of the movie to tell the origin story and develop the characters. Dr. Doom gets beaten so easily it's pathetic. The Island was even worse, keeping Michael Bay's streak of big budget flops going. The Island will be lucky to make back half of what the movie cost. It only made a little more than 10% of its budget on opening weekend ($12.4 million box office with a $122 million budget).

Universal has had a pretty bad year at the box office. Cinderella Man, the cornerstone of the studio's 2005 releases, despite great reviews, flopped horribly. Joss Whedon's Serenity is probably the only movie on tap that can save them right now, and could be applicable to the theme parks if it does well. A possible renewal of Firefly on SciFi if the movie hits big could also help push the movie and TV show into the parks.

The most likely possibility for the theme parks is already one of the most critically acclaimed and hottest TV series, and would lend itself to infinite theme park possibilities. Two words...BATTLESTAR GALACTICA

From Jason Lester
Posted July 28, 2005 at 9:48 AM
I agree with Russell on this one. F4 was a terrible movie and while it may make a good ride, I can guarantee you that no matter how well it's done, it won't go over well. As Russell pointed out, comic book fans hated it, critics hated it, and it may have made money, but everyone I know who saw it hated it. Not a very good idea.

And I love the original Willy Wonka, I though the remake was a complete disgrace to the original. Johnny Depp, who is a great actor now, shouldn't even be allowed to say the name Gene Wilder. That man was a genius. And since, as pointed out, CATCF is a WB movie, I doubt it will be hitting Universal parks soon.

From Russell Meyer
Posted July 28, 2005 at 10:03 AM
Great minds think alike...I wasn't really fond of Tim Burton's take on Charlie and the Chocolate Factory either. That movie poses a problem bigger than just the movie rights, and that's the rights to Wonka. They're a real candy company, and Burton reportedly had to do a lot of dancing to be able to use the candy in the movie, so any theme park application would have to include a licensing deal with Wonka Candy as well as Warner Brothers.

From Danny Bernard
Posted July 28, 2005 at 10:55 AM
Battlestar Galactica would definetly add something special to USH. Either a 3D show, motion simulator, or live action.

From Jason Lester
Posted July 28, 2005 at 11:53 AM
Is Battlestar a Universal property? I know it's on SCI/FI channel but I don't know if it's a Universal owned show.

And as for the Van Helsing idea, if everyone hates the walkthrough so much, what's the point of making it a eatery.

From Russell Meyer
Posted July 28, 2005 at 12:04 PM
It is...The original TV series was Universal as well, and the DVD release of the original series was a Universal Home release. Not only is it on SciFi, but NBC reran the final two episodes of season one in HD the week prior to the start of season two. When Battlestar first came out NBC was actually considering using it as a mid-season replacement, it IS that good. However, NBC chose against it because of the mum reception science fiction has been getting on broadcast television(X-Files and Star Trek were run into the ground by broadcast networks). I think the US release of season 1 on DVD is an MCA release, a subsidiary of Universal, and the 2003 Miniseries was released on DVD under the Universal Home moniker. In fact, all of the Glen Larson projects (Buck Rogers, Battlestar, Knight Rider, and Magnum P.I.) have been released under Unversal Home.

From Jeffrey Torres
Posted July 28, 2005 at 2:24 PM
i thought we were talking about how to make new rides at universal. but instead you are talking about shows and movies. and idont like the idea of battlestar galactica being an attraction.

From Jason Lester
Posted July 28, 2005 at 4:07 PM
We are talking about new rides at Universal. Were talking about basing rides on movies and which movies could be rides at USH. A huge factor in that is if Universal owns the show or movie. If they do, a ride's a possibility, if they don't, no ride.

From Josh Revani
Posted July 28, 2005 at 4:53 PM
Ok, Willy Wonka is Warner, it has no touch with Universal, the BattleStar Gallitca Idea is splendid, so how about making it to a space rollercoaster like Space Moutain or making it a dark ride and your in space, it could be fast and dark and your in space and above you your in War, and you move extremly fast and move away from bullets shooting at you. And the bullets, space, and the ships are in a huge screen around you, now that would be awsome. KEEP JP, FIX IT, DONT MAKE IT CATCF, DONT!


From Jeffrey Torres
Posted July 28, 2005 at 5:13 PM
those are good ideas but instead of van helsing ride it could ba war of the worlds ride. the movie is good and it has made lots of money so people will like it.

From Josh Revani
Posted July 28, 2005 at 5:24 PM
Good idea, so this is what we got

1. Fast and the Furious the ride
2. King Kong 3D for T2:3D
3. The new JP
4. War of the Worlds the ride
5. Battlestar Gallitca the ride

This is a really good idea, do nt even think of changing it, lets go now conentrate on the Shrek 3D show, its always the same, PUT A RIDE IN IT UNIVERSAL!

From Russell Meyer
Posted July 28, 2005 at 6:20 PM
War of the Worlds is Dreamworks/Amblin/Paramount, and I think Paramount may have first dibs on attraction concepts unless Speilberg signs a deal with NBC/Universal.

From Russell Meyer
Posted July 28, 2005 at 6:20 PM
War of the Worlds is Dreamworks/Amblin/Paramount, and I think Paramount may have first dibs on attraction concepts unless Speilberg signs a deal with NBC/Universal.

Shrek may be the same, but so is every other ride. There are a lot of people who probably haven't even riden it yet since it's only been open a couple of years. When a theme park opens an attraction, they usually expect a lifetime of at least 5 years before a major overhaul. The soundstage/Backdraft attractions are essential, even though they may not be your cup of tea. They are the centerpiece of what the park is about, showing people how movies are made. If there were nothing but rides, the concept of the park would be ruined, especially in Hollywood. Universal has to compete against the other studio tours in Hollywood, and tourists to LA expect some "how'd they do that" in this park. Orlando can get away with it a bit, but Hollywood is touted as a working studio, and it needs to keep up that image.

From Jason Lester
Posted July 28, 2005 at 9:08 PM
Backdraft has been around more then 5 years. So keep the SFX Stages. If people want them, they can have them. Backdraft on the other hand has been around for a long time and last time I rode it I didn't see a big crowd. Maybe 15 other people.

From Josh Revani
Posted July 28, 2005 at 10:15 PM
Why are we talking about this, are we gonna send this to the owner of Universal? Plus, Spiderman stayed in for 1 year, and SXF stayed in for 2 years, so how about taking that out and backdraft and put the War of the Wars ride. Shrek 4D stayed for only 1 year, so how about taking it out for the next year and BUILT A DAMN RIDE!, But it has to be a kid ride, like a Shrek ride, or a CLASSIC WOODY WOOD PECKER RIDE, WOODY WOOD PECKER IS A UNIVERSAL CLASSIC! SO HOW ABOUT PUTTING THAT?!? Also, you know how in Universal Orlando, their are cities, countrys...(example. New York, Hollywood, KidZOne...) So how about making that for Hollywood?

From Danny Bernard
Posted July 28, 2005 at 11:04 PM
Theres simply not enough room to build "zones", Plus Russ is right even though I dont want to admit it: all those tourists come to USH to see how movies are made, personally I'd rather have a good ride than a "show" that tells me how the Hulk screams... But maybey thats cause I'm a local and I've been there to many times.

From Josh Revani
Posted July 28, 2005 at 11:09 PM
But they spend all their money for what, to see live shows every time, and go learn where movies came from, THATS THE LEGENDARY STUDIO TOUR! Ok, special effect stages and backdraft teaches you, but come on, this is a theme park, not a learing park. And we were on the right track

We had the Fast and the Furious, War of the Worlds, King Kong 3D.....

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