If Hypersonic Goes...

Kings Dominion: What happens?

From Jake Countiss
Posted June 24, 2007 at 11:06 PM
Lets say Hypersonic was moved to Carowinds (I know that it is for sale), what would be put in its spot. It would probably be a hyper coaster but could Cedar Entertainment Company make something completely knew.

Hint Hint- A taller, faster version of Maverick with more inversions.

From Tyler W.
Posted June 25, 2007 at 8:02 AM
hypersonic is for sale?

From Jake Countiss
Posted June 25, 2007 at 8:40 AM
It has been for sale for a while. Screamscape has a link to the website it is on.

From George Gray
Posted June 25, 2007 at 12:27 PM
I doubt anything. Maybe a gift shop. Hypersonic is so small, nothing really great could fit in its spot unless Hurler went down too.

From Jake Countiss
Posted June 25, 2007 at 2:09 PM
Take out Shockwave and Hurler along with Hypersonic and you could have a very long ride.

From steve lee
Posted June 25, 2007 at 3:52 PM
^and from a park geek's viewpoint, I totally understand that. But is it really in Cedar Fair's best interests to take down three coasters to replace it with one? Does no one ride Shockwave, Hurler, or Hypersonic (I haven't been back since 2004, so I can't answer that myself)?

Moving Hypersonic to Carowinds is an interesting idea (and it could fit in nicely around the Thrill Zone area with Carowinds' version of the Hurler), but my money is still on Steel Venom making the trek south. However, Carowinds would fare well with either one of those. There aren't any launching coasters in this area so it would be a guaranteed hit.

From Jake Countiss
Posted June 25, 2007 at 7:59 PM
Steel Venom is probably going to Dorney Park but you never know.

From steve lee
Posted June 25, 2007 at 8:57 PM
And Dorney wouldn't be a bad fit.

I'm just thinking that Cedar Fair needs to do something next year with Carowinds to answer the opening of the Hard Rock Park. Either Steel Venom or Hypersonic would be successful in making the locals happy. Yeah, it's a secondhand coaster, but Carowinds has really made a good run of BORG Assimilator - the GP doesn't know the difference. It's new, it's different.

Now, if they want to do something brand spanking new, they'd get no complaints from me. Heck, it hasn't even got to be a coaster. A simple Huss Frisbee would be enough to wow people (and when you think about it, do we need both Maxxair and Delirium in the same state?).

From Adrienne McDonald
Posted June 26, 2007 at 3:54 PM
Yeah, a shuttle launch coaster would fit there where Hypersonic is wouldn't it? How much room does Steel Venom, or the like, need? How about another launch free faller like Superman at SFMM? Wouldn't that fit? There are a variety of rides that would fit I'm sure. I've never been to Carrowinds, hoping to go maybe in the fall. I'm sure y'all know what you're talking about so I'm not going to argue, lolol. ;)

From steve lee
Posted June 26, 2007 at 10:07 PM
Sorry, Jake - I wasn't caught up on Screamscape. I totally missed the Steel Venom to Dorney rumor. Well, that makes me very interested in seeing what the rumored 2008 attraction for Carowinds will be.

From George Gray
Posted June 26, 2007 at 11:37 PM
I don't know what it's like not having a launch coaster my home park, but why are all ya'll complaining you don't have a launch coaster? You guys have Borg, Top Gun, and Vortex! Those are three big and good coasters right there.

From Christy Shuman
Posted June 27, 2007 at 7:12 AM
^Well Top Gun is the only good one out of the 3 you mentioned. I believe a Huss frisbee or a nice flat of some kind will go in Hypersonics place, although I would love to see a B&M invert but I know it wont happen as it wouldnt fit.

From steve lee
Posted June 27, 2007 at 2:10 PM
Yeah, pretty much what Christy said regarding Top Gun. But I'm not complaining. Believe me, I wouldn't be lining up for Hypersonic or Steel Venom either way. I'm looking at it from the viewpoint that Carowinds needs to open something new to compete with the Hard Rock Park. A launched coaster would be something new and unique to the area, and would guarantee to keep the GP happy.

From Jake Countiss
Posted June 27, 2007 at 2:45 PM
They can't build too high because they are in a flight path so Hypersonic is only 165 feet tall so that would fit find but, I would like to see a launched coaster or something over 200 feet badly!!!!!!

From Christy Shuman
Posted June 27, 2007 at 3:53 PM
If Hypersonic is up for sale, why would they move it to another park? just curious

From steve lee
Posted June 27, 2007 at 6:36 PM
Well, it's been almost a full year and they haven't got a buyer. I think it's time to consider the idea that they're stuck with it. May as well make the most of it.

From George Gray
Posted June 27, 2007 at 6:42 PM
If they're stuck with it, why would they move it to Carowinds? Plus, Carowinds and HRP are in different states.

From Chuck Campbell
Posted June 27, 2007 at 7:17 PM
If Hypersonic goes, sales of Advil will drop in the gift shops.

From steve lee
Posted June 27, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Hi, George.

Why would Cedar Fair move X-Flight from Geauga Lake to King's Island? Why would Six Flags move Viper from SFOG to SFKK? Why would Busch move Wild Maus from BGW to BGT? Why is this an issue? This is a hypothetical question.

As for the "they're in different states" thing, I have to wonder if you've ever been to the park. First off, the bulk of the park is actually in South Carolina. But Carowinds is very much a regional park. People don't make lengthy road trips to get here. Their crowd is a pretty even mix of SC folks and NC folks.

Take the SC half of their crowd and put them in a situation where they have to choose between driving (I'm going to use my drive times as an example here) 90 minutes for the old and busted Carowinds or two and a half hours for the new hotness at Hard Rock Park (Oh, and there's also the whole "beach" thing around HRP as opposed to the meh city of Charlotte). That hour difference in drive time is really negligible to me, so why am I going to go to Carowinds? To ride Top Gun for the millionth time?

Cedar Fair is a pretty smart company, and they already know what's going to happen if they don't hit up Carowinds with something new for the 2008 season. They potentially could lost around a fifth of their crowd, and that's not a risk they're willing to take.

I really thought this was already covered, but I guess I was unclear as to why Carowinds was in the conversation. This really isn't the question Jake was positing, but we pigeonwalked a little bit. I'll shut up about where Hypersonic may be going - let's go back to the original hypothetical regarding what would happen to PKD if it did.

From Jake Countiss
Posted June 27, 2007 at 8:49 PM
This is pretty off topic but in the next few years what if Cedar Point added onto TTD structure, juiced up the launch motor and smash Kingda Ka. It would probably take a while to get the bugs out, but hey they could get more people in line. That wouldn't make me mad since I rode it before. It would not change the ride much at all but it would be cool to take the two records back.

From steve lee
Posted June 27, 2007 at 8:57 PM
I'd hate to see that turn into a contest over who can raise the top hat higher. I think the stratacoaster concept has run its course. The fact that there's two of them is ludicrous enough. Let's move onto the next high concept. If they want to get the fastest record back, I'm cool with that. But I just think TTD and KK are junk. Cool and fun once, pointless ever again.

From George Gray
Posted June 27, 2007 at 9:18 PM
There's actually 3 stratacoasters. Two in the US, one in the UK.

From steve lee
Posted June 28, 2007 at 4:32 AM
Where in the UK?

From George Gray
Posted June 28, 2007 at 8:03 AM
Wherever Thorpe Park is. They have a coaster called Stealth thats VERY similar to Kingda Ka and TTD.

From Jake Countiss
Posted June 28, 2007 at 8:18 AM
Your are talking about Intamin Accelerater Coasters. And their is I think their is 7 in the world. A strata coaster is a coaster that goes over 400 feet tall.

From Dustin Kern
Posted June 28, 2007 at 9:58 AM
Here's a little history on the park in the past couple of years.

I believe that about 3 or maybe 4 years ago, Paramount was talking about moving Shockwave to Carowinds (or Canada's Wonderland) or just scraping it. They reconized that while it is a fun attraction in the sense that it's a stand-up, it does not move enough people through it and that it is rather old.

Now Cedar Fair (or Cedar Entertainment Company) owns all the old Paramount Parks. You haven't heard anything about the Shockwave since they bought the park but I'm pretty sure that they have talked about getting rid of it. Most likely it will be scrapped because so many people complain about how long it takes to load/unload and how rough it is. Face it, the Shockwave isn't in the best mechanical state either, look at how slow it goes up the lift hill.

Hypersonic XLC is salvagable in their minds. Granted it isn't the best coaster in the world, but to some smaller park, that would be a huge boost to add that to their collection of rides.

With that all said, if Hypersonic is sold or moved to another park and Shockwave is scrapped, that puts a nice area for a new intense flat ride like maXair or Skyhawk (where Shockwave is). As for a new coaster, as we all know that there will be one, there is a lot of land behind the Grizzly and Hurler. The only question is where would the station go? If it's going to be an Intamin launch coaster, they could re-use the same station area that Hypersonic XLC has (just that the coaster wouldn't go over the pathways like the Hypersonic XLC does now). If it's going to be like the Magnum/Millenium Force, they would most likely tuck the station back between the Grizzly and Xtreme Flyer but still have the quene(?) line in the same area as the Hypersonic XLC, just more zig zags.

From George Gray
Posted June 28, 2007 at 1:08 PM
If Shockwave does go, it'd be smart to use it for Skyrider at Canada's Wonderland.

From Jake Countiss
Posted July 14, 2007 at 8:40 AM
Their has been a photo of cleared land behind Anaconda. In the photo their appears to be a lot of pieces of wood. Could Kings Dominion get a wooden coaster in 08?

From George Gray
Posted July 14, 2007 at 11:43 AM
Hm, I haven't seen that. Where did you find the pic?

I might be going to KD tonight, so, despite how sore I'll be afterwards, I'll try and ride Anaconda to see the wood.

From M Holtsclaw
Posted July 14, 2007 at 4:27 PM
Who says Hypersonic will be replaced by anything?

Kings Dominion is simply trying to get rid of the ride because it is a nightmare to maintain and is running the power bill up. I doubt there are any plans to replace it with another ride when it leaves.

From steve lee
Posted July 14, 2007 at 5:03 PM
That's a lot of wood for one park. How about they take some of that wood and retrack the backbreakers they have?

From George Gray
Posted July 14, 2007 at 8:10 PM
I just got back. I almost rode Anaconda, but it had about a 30-45 minute wait. But it was only running one train. And it broke down quite a bit today.

From steve lee
Posted July 14, 2007 at 9:53 PM
30 to 45 minutes for Anaconda? Granted, you said there was one train and breakdowns but WOW that is a long time for that ride. I blame the completely unnecessary seatbelts.

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