Parks Unfair to Overweight People?

An anonymous complaint about Cedar Point's treatment of oversized riders. It raises again the issue of size and weight restrictions on rides, and how active parks should be in publicizing them.

I was recently at Cedar Point, and noticed as I went onto rides that there was no warning about overweight people not being able to fit onto certain rollercoasters. I actually had to be taken off a ride because the lap bar did not fit on my lap properly. And I almost had to be taken off several other rollercoasters in the park because of the seatbelts almost not reaching all the way around my waist. I did not see any warning about weight restrictions or waist sizes before entering onto the rollercoasters at the park. I am not overly obese and I feel very concerned that there are many other people bigger than I am. I feel that there should be such warnings to allow patrons know if they're too big to go on a ride. If anything, it would avoid public humiliation. I also feel that without these warnings it is truly unfair to overweight people who want to have fun at an amusement park and don't have any other health risks which parks post in front of rides.

I'm not sure about this having just come back from Orlando and seen the size of some of the people in the parks - so many of whom have to rely upon electric strollers just to get about.

I thought some of the restraints were loose enough (Gwazi almost lost me a couple of times). I did witness one guy not fitting onto Kumba but he could barely see over his gut so what did he expect? There must also be weight constraints on some attractions - I'd not be happy getting on a water ride with someone weighing 400+pounds

At the end of the day would the Porky People really wish to see at each coaster next to the child height measure, a set of scales for adults to test their weight before riding? (And how much would this add to queuing times)

I have no problem with parks denying entry on a ride to people who are too short or tall, or too big or little to ride.

However, I agree that parks need to do a better job of informing the public what the limits are on each individual attraction. Theme park Web sites, ticket booths and guide maps should each list the minimum *and maximum* height and, if applicable, weight for each restricted attraction in the park. And those limits should be posted at the attraction's entrance, next to a uniformed employee who can explain them and screen people as they enter the queue.

Ideally, ride designers would create attractions that can accomodate the widest possible variety of body types. But some body types will simply never fit on certain types of attractions.

In those cases, parks should work to create other attractions that are open to all, and do their best to publicize the restrictions on those rides that aren't.

Unfortunately, few parks post anything about maximum sizes, either out of apathy or fear of bad press or getting sued. That's myopic, in my opinion. People get less upset if you are upfront with them. Jerking folks around is what really gets 'em mad.

I don't think it would be practical/feasible for a theme park to indicate a physical size limit since people are shaped differently. I overly tall person might not fit in a ride an overweight person could fit in. However, if the theme parks would place a test seat outside the queue of every ride, a person could sit in the seat and make sure that he is able to fit in the ride before standing in line. Some parks already do this, but even those usually don't have a test seat for every ride.

That is absolutely right. Weight is not the deciding factor here....it is GIRTH that is the issue. And I firmly believe that ANY size restriction......be it height or girth....should be made 100% publicly known.

I know at certain European parks they have stations where you stand with your back to a post and try to hook a belt around your waist that is the same length as the restraint on the ride. If it doesn't fasten around you, you're too large to go on the ride. Now what would be so difficult for American parks adopt something like that?

The U.S. as a nation have become so paranoid about not offending people and being "politically correct" that we're ignoring very much larger safety issues.

I work as a ride operations team leader at Six Flags St. Louis and I personally think that Six Flags does a great job in handling overweight riders. On almost all rider policy signs that are located in front of each ride it states "Due to the restraining device on this ride certain large guests may not be able to ride." Also, several rides, such as, Batman the Ride have test seats that guests may sit in. I have visited several other Six Flags theme parks and the same is in place at these parks as well. As far as staffing someone at the front of each ride to watch for large people I think that is rediculous. There is not enough payroll to waste such money like that. Even if there was the money would better be used to height check or double check lap bars etc. However, this is just my two cents from the inside.

Sample seats are a brilliant idea. And not just for thrill rides. They're brilliant for kiddie rides, too, to help a doubtful child get "comfortable" with a ride before parents make the investment in time to wait for the ride.

As for the personnel, that's part of my ongoing campaign to get parks to do a better job staffing up to serve the public.

A front-of-the-queue person should do much more than look for oversized people. They should look for anyone who is too small or large for the attraction, as well as people who might have health conditions that make it unsafe to ride. They should also be there to answer questions, direct people and maintain the end of the queue.

Such positions used to be standard at Disney theme parks, but even Disney's been eliminating them. And more guests end up frustrated and confused, as a result.

I agree with Robert's thoughts about a cast member or staff person at the END of the queue line (nothing short of an act of god will stop a person from getting on a ride if they have waited 45 minutes plus to get on), and some theme parks (like Dueling Dragons at IOA) do have sample seats to sit in to figure out if the ride is right for you.

It is just silly to thing that theme parks could create rides that could fit every size person on it- the fit is for the "normal build" person, and some people are too tall, too short, too thin or too obese to go on some rides (ie-Shaq would not be able to ride Dueling Dragons if he wanted to keep his feet attached). To say that it is discriminitory is ignorant, as there is not actual effort to keep these people off of the ride, it's just a matter of physics and not being able to make everyone happy. If you can't ride all of the rides at a theme park, go to guest services and ask for your money back. More than likely, they would rather refund your cash than have you sneak onto one of those rides and be injured.

regarding the orginal post..i was at cedar point june 6&7 and noticed that on the signs for many of the major rides, there were warnings that people of a larger size may not be able to ride the rides. Additionally, most of the rides offered a test seat that a guest could try without waiting in lines.

for the other posters...unfortunately 45% of the american population is overweight, so it would make sense to make some arrangements to accomodate larger riders...if there are no safety issues in doing so.

For that matter, the test seats at CP aren't a new thing--almost all the coasters had test seats towards the beginning of the queue last year (I specifically remember them with Raptor and Millenium Force.

That doesn't guarantee people will use them, however :p (CP had to work to make certain the over-the-shoulder harness on Raptor would fit my husband--HE almost got booted off, and in his case he's not so much obese as has a barrel chest).

Perhaps what might be needed is someone at the seat to make certain "iffy" folks (not just big folks, but little folks too) will fit in the ride without being bounced all over...of course, seeing as people are suing airlines for making them buy an extra seat because their 600-pound, reinforced-bed-sleeping, donut-eating butt only fits halfway on an airplane seat :p I don't know how terribly likely this is...

As it is, CP is actually one of the *better* parks I've seen for not only making sure you will fit safely in the seat, but also making sure the "iffy" folks can ride safely and if not asking them to try the other rides. (I've not seen *anything* like this at most other parks I've been at, to be honest. Admittedly, most of the parks I've been to have consisted of Kentucky Kingdom (pre-Six Flags, letting-the-park-rot, changing-"Twisted Sisters" to "Twisted Twins" (come on, Dee Snyder is NOT going to sue you, you idiots!)-naming incarination back when it rocked :), Paramount Kings Island, Paramount Carowinds *way* back, WDW, and Cedar Point. :) But still, I was impressed...)

No offense, I think I'd rather have them tell me to get off the ride than have me chucked out :) (And they HAVE gotten better at this. My first trip to an amusement park was, oh, when I was two or three--to Cedar Point, ironically enough--and they allowed my dear parents to take me on one of the woodie coasters whereupon (being two or three and a bit young to appreciate coasters) I attempted to crawl out and gave my mother the fright of her life :) Mind, that was, oh, 26 years ago :)

I agree with the idea of having a park employee at the bottom of the queue. At Knott's, they have a ride operator at the bottom of the queue, so I'd assume other Cedar Fair parks probably do as well. These employees can screen out guests who might be too small or too large to ride the ride, but I seriously doubt they'd be able to screen out people with certain medical conditions that might make it unsafe to ride. After all, they're ride operators, not doctors. At some point, the guests do have to take some responsibility to read the signs and not ride if it isn't safe for them to do so.

You would think that not being allowed to ride because you're overweight would be a wake-up call for some people to spend more time on a treadmill or something, but no, their weight problem becomes everyone else's problem. If you spot an overweight person on WDW's Tower of Terror, try to be seated next to that person because that way the lap bar won't go all the way down and you get major airtime.

Universal Orlando and Busch Gardens has someone in the beginning of the line scanning the people for things that sould not be brought on, people who are to small, AND people who are to big. All the rides have a test seat, and all of the rides, except gwazi, has special seats with special restraints for people who are to big. I dont know about disney, or other places in the country.

Universal Orlando and Busch Gardens has someone in the beginning of the line scanning the people for things that sould not be brought on, people who are to small, AND people who are to big. All the rides have a test seat, and all of the rides, except gwazi, has special seats with special restraints for people who are to big. I dont know about disney, or other places in the country.

cedar point not only has ride ratings at most rides but it states very clearly that certain rides are weight restricted. This is posted not only on thier website but in all of the propoganda ive recieved from them

Just an observation - There is a definite inconsistancy in the size of the lap belts within a ride at Cedar Point: the test seat in front of the Millenium Force is from the last two years and is not the same as the new (much shorter) ones that have been installed this season; the same rider (on the same day in the same clothes) found that belts on various seats of the Wicked Twister differed in length. For other coasters (such as the Mean Streak), some of the lap belts get shorter as the season progresses: the end of the belt becomes ragged and is cut and resewn, thereby losing an inch or two. --- What to do about the situation? I don't know - how about having a couple of seats (with larger restraints) available for larger people? This would not nessarily work for all rides, but could be adapted to some. (Most parks do what they can for people with disabilities. Sometimes being a larger person is something that can not be easily changed by dieting.)

The problem with designing thrill rides to accomodate guests of a portly nature is that coasters rely heavily on gravity and balancing. That being said, it would be very unsafe to design roller coasters to support heavy set people. I agree that the best thing to do to help with this is to have sample seats at the front of the queue, like Busch Gardens or Six Flags. That way, people can decide for their own. Having a cast member at the front of the line could seem very discriminating to someone who takes it the wrong way. All someone has to do is get upset about it then they have a very big issue on their hands. There are plenty of people like that out there. Besides, the big thing nowadays is to avoid lawsuits and the best way is to address issues like this with as little customer/employee interaction as possible.

FAT POWER!!!!!!!

Unless your obesity is due to a medical problem(as is the case with some people), all I can say is this:

The sooner you learn to "push up" from the dinner table, the sooner you'll be able to "push down" on the lap bar!

...nuff said!

Why on earth do you feel that Parks are being unfair on you because you are vastly overweight.
On my trips to the theme parks I have always been amazed at the number of VERY fat people in the USA. Im talking about people who are grosely overweight and theres a lot of you out there!
What really irritates me in the parks is when you see a real overweight person driving round the park in one of those disabled buggies because they are too much of a slob to walk, and then using the disabled line to avoid queing for a ride.
O.K we all carry a few extra pounds from time to time but its totally unfair to expect a park too pander to lazy obese slobs.
try getting a Flexipass to the local Gym instead.

Ever occur to any of you that some people have injuries that might not be readily apparent that contribute to their advanced weight ?

For instance, I know someone who used to be very athletic, captain of their college intramural basketball team and volleyball team, but wore out the cartilege in their knee to the point they cannot walk much of a distance comfortably.

Especially, I see Europeans snubbing "fat, lazy Americans." Of course, we "fat, lazy Americans" have to work 70 hours a week with few holidays, because our taxes are going to protect the ungrateful skinny, whiny Europeans who have plenty of time to exercise and plenty of money to eat right.

Maybe if Europeans had to work the hours Americans do,
including the tinyy number of vacation days, then just maybe they could better understand why many Americans choose not to use the practically nonexistent "free time" they have staying in shape.

AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY TO HEAVY? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SIZE OR WEIGHT? WHAT IF I HAVE WEAR A 42 BRA THAT LOOKS LIKE I COULD SERVE LUNCH ON IT AND DONT FIT INTO A RIDE RESTRAINT? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE WRONG ISSUE HERE!!!! IT IS SIZE AND WHETHER A PERSON CAN FIT INTO THE SEAT AND THE RESTRAINTS. WEIGHT COUNTS ONLY IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CAN THE RIDE STOP, START AND CONTAIN A PASSENGER OF A CERTAIN WEIGHT.####################################################
AS FOR THE 400 PLUS PEOPLE OR EVEN THE ONES OVER 200 POUND, IT IS RUDE FOR PEOPLE TO TRY TO TAKE LITTLE KIDS ON RIDES THAT THEY ARE TOO SHORT FOR AND IT IS RUDE FOR A GUEST WHO KNOWS HE CANNOT FIT INTO A SEAT TO RIDE. WE PAY THE SAME AMOUNT AS THE LEAN MODELS AND THEREFORE SHOULD GET OUR MONEY'S WORTH. BY THE WAY I WISH I COULD BE 200 POUNDS OR EVEN 240 BUT I CANNOT AND I WILL STRAP TO THE FRONT OF A ROLLER COASTER ANYONE WHO TRIES TO TELL ME OHTERWISE.

Isn't life in general unfair to overweight people? (Airplane seats, bathroom stalls, compact cars, fitting rooms, etc.) We all have issues, not just heavy people. I know someone who lost both legs to diabetes. He went to Disney & wanted to ride the Haunted Mansion more than anything. However, he wasn't allowed because he couldn't enter the ride vehicle without his son-in-law lifting him in. (Insurance issue???) He felt bad about it, but it's just life.

Huh? I thought people could do that at Mansion. We used to let people carry others into Pirates all the time. On Mansion, the belt and ride's gonna be stopped for a wheelchair guest anyway.

Now, person in such a condition would not be able to ride Thunder, for example, because the lack of legs would prevent them from being restrained by the lap bar. But I don't see how that would be an issue on an OmniMover like Mansion.

Of course, it has been a while and policies change. But in my experience, operators sometimes claim things as "policy" that are not when don't wish to be bothered with an extra effort. I hope that wasn't the case here.

Most of the time I rode Spaceship Earth, the ride stopped once or twice. But last time I rode it in November 2001, that ride made not a single stop in its entirety (scarce, huh). But there were some points when the vehicles moved at a snail's pace.

Its ridiculous for grossly overweight people to think that the themepark industry ought to cater to them.

The rest of society already does- i.e. giving overweight people (who have no other physical disability) Disabled parking priveledges and motorized carts to scoot around in.

If you ask me, theme parks are already catering enough by letting overweight patrons to the front of all the lines for their "disability"

I can see it now....

A hypercoaster designed with extra wide seats on an extra wide track, with an extended lap bar and extra long seat belts.

They can call the coaster:

GERTH!!!

*memo to those with zero sense of humor or get easily offended: I'm only joking, don't get you panties in a wad! I have many friends who are obese. Peace**

Hey folks, please dont come back at me with the argument about osme people cant help being fat. I know and fully appreciate that for some people its beyond their control but we are talking about a tiny tiny minority and you know it!!.
Ive always been mega impressed with the way theme parks look after Disabled guests, Far superior to anything in the U.K But Im sorry the fact is there is a LOT of Very Overweight people visiting the parks who think they should have some special previlages and I dont think this should be the case.
I think you should have to be able to suplly medical proof to get a Disabled carriage rather than just being able to rent one cos your a obese person and then trundle to the front of a ride queue

Soon after Colossus opened at Six Flags Magic Mountain, a severely overweight woman got on a train to ride and the lap bar would not latch over her abdomen. The ride operators asked her to get off, and she threatened to sue for discrimination. The operators asked her to hold on as best she could, and she fell out going down the first hill. Her death closed the ride for months, and when it reopened, it was a far tamer ride which ruined the experience for everyone. If you are too big to fit through the door on a city bus, the bus driver doesen't let you stand on the step outside the door and hold on to the trim of the bus with your fingernails as he drives off. Why do people expect different treatment on coasters?

You know I feel sorry in a way with the way overweight people feel about being asked to get off a ride or the fact that there may be no signs that specifically let you know that you might not be able to squeeze onto a ride, but for crying out loud, can't you kind of figure that one out for yourselves? I have been on a diet for over a year and remember when I was at my "heavy" weight of 235 and I couldn't fit comfortably on many rides because my gut was too darn big! Has this not come up in other area's of your lives? Some people think it's a shame that heavy people cry discrimination because accomodations cannot or will not be made for them. Give me a break! If it truly is a handicap (bologna) then you will have to live with the fact that there will be a few things in life that you won't be able to do like the "Normal" sized people of the world. Is it fair? Maybe yes, maybe no, but would it be fair for smaller people to fall out of their seats to their death because they had to be widened so you can fit on them? I think not! Ever hear a heavy person gripe on an airplane when a skinny guy sits beside them? There's a reason for that.

I agree that the problem with most restraints isn't weight, it's girth. But sometimes its not tummies that are causing the problem. Women of larger chest proportions seem to have just as many problems. I have a relatively large chest due to genetics, that paired with a 5'10 height makes for quite uncomfortable rides on some coasters. My biggest problem is with shoulder harnesses that either don't fit at all, or squeeze me so tight i'm left bruised. I believe some restraints and seats seem to be getting smaller over the past five years. And someone who is 250 lbs. should be just as much allowed to ride a roller coaster comfortablely as everyone else. It seems only few ride manufacturers has taken this into consideration, offering alternate cars for those who have larger dimensions. Its just foolish to isolate most of the theme park-going public.

But that's just it.....Parks are not isolating the park-going majority. As Steve Moore pointed out, the percentage of overweight or obese people at theme parks is actually a minority.

Don't get me wrong....I do feel for those people whose extreme size (in gut, hips, chest, wherever) is caused simply by genetics or a defect thereof. Unfortunately, most overly large people do not have any medical reason for being that large, but still want special treatment. That is unfair both to genetically obese people and people of normal size.

I work at a theme park and we have a similar problem occasionally (its a park in the UK). However, after consideration we decided on NOT to put signs up stating a "size" requirement because even tho someone looks big, they may fit the restraint, the interlocks click in and all is well. Somepeople that are not that big however, dont fit the restraint so they cannot ride. Basically, it is very difficult to decide on the size that you state as each person is an individual and so must be treated as such.

It was in May 2000 when I attended several rides at Circus Circus Adventuredome inhouse themepark, or better: I tried to! I am overweighted and it shows. Nevertheless park staff members tried to force the safety bars on several rides on me which was very painful and extremely unfomfortable. There was no warning or even advice from the staff. I can only advice tall or big people to avoid their rides Canyon Blaster and Rim Runner, both being their main attractions. Canyon Blaster features an overhead safety device which presses painfully on your stomach and Rim Runner is nothing for people with larger legs.

Later on I experienced similar problems at Universal Studios FL and at Disneyworld EPCOT and MGM Studios in FL. Of course there never was any refund, especially not at Universal's where the staff has a notorious tendency to be quite rude to park patrons. But maybe this is only one of the park attractions?

In Europe, Germany's largest themepark, Europapark, features also many attractions for slim people or kids, only, but at least for their main rollercoaster Silverstar you have a test seat where you can try FIRST before boarding the real coaster. I think this is the best of all solutions. Rides for big people to avoid there are: Curse of Cassandra (self-tightening safety bar: hurts), EuroSat (no room for knees, seat width is enough for two kids, but not for tall adults: hurts)

On the other hand: losing a few pounds would do no harm either...

Umm....Anonymous......Why should a theme park issue you a refund if you were too large to fit one of their attractions? It's not the park's fault you are the size you are, is it?

I guess you're entitled to your opinion as far as whether the entire staff....evidently....at Universal were "rude" or not. But don't state it as if it's a FACT that Universal employees are rude like the whole world agrees with you.

I seem to remember a park (Six Flag Magic Mountain?) letting an overweight woman on a ride when the lap bar didn't fit all the way down. She fell off at a hill and was impaled on a fence. Not very pleasent is it? Now I am about 50 pounds overweight, and I haven't had any problems yet. Anyhow, I don't know about weight limits, but most rides seem to be built with suitable safety restraints to fit oversized people, and if you don't fit maybe it's time to go on an exercise program. Plus if it's a coaster, and the lapbar doesn't come down, you may not come off alive.

What ever happened to common sence. I worked at a theme park for 3 years, and saw people having trouble getting in the front gate. What makes you think you can ride some coasters? Ive seen people force their way into a seat, a just get it in the first click and get an attitude when something is said. You know your gonna be asked to leave. Its all in your strained out face, with your arms covering the bar so it cant be checked hoping that nothing will be said then.

whatever happened to common sence. Ive seen people have trouble get thru the front gates, so let alone riding a coaster is out of the question. Especially the ones who force the bar down to just one click, cover the bar with their arms so the operator cant check hoping they will just go and check the next one.

whatever happened to common sence. Ive seen people have trouble get thru the front gates, so let alone riding a coaster is out of the question. Especially the ones who force the bar down to just one click, cover the bar with their arms so the operator cant check hoping they will just go and check the next one.

The parks aren't unfair to Overweight people. If that's the case then they're unfair to people over 6'6 who can't ride Vekomas Deja Vu ride, and they're also unfair to small people who can't fit into certain attractions...

The key is imposing this saying for all rides, " If you want to ride this ride you must be able to...."

Personally Im starting to think that this site is being used for people thinking they know better. As ive said before, I work at a theme park and am thinking of quiting this site if I dont get answers to the followin questions:-
"I seem to remember a park (Six Flag Magic Mountain?) letting an overweight woman on a ride when the lap bar didn't fit all the way down. She fell off at a hill and was impaled on a fence." Proof please, seems like a load of old crap to me and
"Soon after Colossus opened at Six Flags Magic Mountain, a severely overweight woman got on a train to ride and the lap bar would not latch over her abdomen. The ride operators asked her to get off, and she threatened to sue for discrimination. The operators asked her to hold on as best she could, and she fell out going down the first hill. Her death closed the ride for months, and when it reopened, it was a far tamer ride which ruined the experience for everyone."

I thought that this was going to be used for "serious" discussion but if its going to be abused by children then consider me unsubscribed.

try asking your manager or supervisor if you have any questions regarding rollercoasters. not this board.

i can see it now ****why di you let the over weight guy ride? Well, they said i could on the insider website****

i AM the manager and people who dont pass the interlock procedure on the ride, dont ride, simple as. Complain as much as you want, it aint gonna happen.

I think i heard at one time they went so far to design a rollercoaster for the larger sized crowd, and even had a prototype. but it was to hard to stand level in the station since it had a steep incline so the car would roll out to the lift, and not the issue of it rolling backwards. HAAHAHAHAH

ohh grow up and learn something about coasters u prick... modern motors can lift any coaster out of a station and ARB's (or Anti Rollback Devices for you seeing as you know N O T H I N G about coasters) mean that no coaster rolls back..ffs, just proving my point tbh...

you didnt see my point. i know how coasters work. the station was at a slant cuz the train was so heavy it sat there, so it needed an incline. and also since people like sitting in the back, to keep it from rolling backwards.

i also heard about this coaster. since it would have picked up so much speed after finally going over the hill, they placed breaksat the bottom of the first hill

In response to Iguana's questioning the death reported on Collosus at Six Flags Magic Mountain, see the following (state of California) web site:
http://www.library.ca.gov/CRB/97/12/97012en.html#67
Doesn't say the ride operators allowed her to ride without fastening the restraint, but the conclusion was her size and weight contributed to her being thrown from the roller coaster to her death.

[67] Los Angeles Herald Examiner, December 30, 1978

theres alot of difference between rides now (ie 2002) and rides operating in 1978, 24 years of ride designing has helped

I'm an overweight and tall guy, and have been crammed into small seats for unpleaseant rides before. (Carolina Goldrusher at Carowinds, and Georgia Cyclone were the worst.) I've also waited in a long line only to be turned away when the safety restraint wouldn't fit. It's humiliating, but could easily be resolved. With all of the fast pass and virtual line technology, how hard would it be to give a coupon to get to the front of another line? This would have been an easy solution.
As excited as I am about the prospect of the new Superman at SFOG, I won't make any special trip simply because I know I won't fit.
One last rant. You can't turn on the TV without another news report showcasing random overweight Americans eating Dairy Queen accompanied by a story about how our nation is overweight. If this is so, how come they don't design a ride to fit my tubby a$$.

yeah i think you people out there that are too girthy to get on rides should take that as motivation to loose weight. I am considered to be skinny in anyones terms, and it makes me sick to see that close to 90% percent of 'americans' are FAT... i have been to other countries, and i see where you are cuming from saying that americans have problems like work that contribute to us being overweight. but that still shouldnt be an excuse. THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY FREAKING FAT PEOPLE. please, make an effort to lose weight, it is worth it trust me... o¿o

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