The Incredibles E-Ticket rumored for Disney's Hollywood StudiosWalt Disney World: It'll be........ incredible!
From Dominick DSo recently at BlueSkyDisney, a new rumor popped up saying that The Incredbiles could be on the way to DHS. They haven't had a rumor since the DCA expansion, but they are pretty reliable. They were saying that there are two options that Disney is currently looking to do at the backlot:
Posted January 31, 2013 at 11:25 AM
Option 1: Do an exact clone of Cars Land and rank in the money.
Option 2: Do C and D-Tickets with a giant Incredibles E-Ticket.
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From Andrew DoughertyNot bad. Interesting because rumors are incredible 2 could be coming out in the near future.
Posted January 31, 2013 at 12:56 PM
From Eric MaloneI'd be pretty interested in seeing this. The Incredibles was one of my favorite movies, so seeing it turned into a ride would be enjoyable.
Posted January 31, 2013 at 2:12 PM
From Dominick DAndrew, source?
Posted January 31, 2013 at 2:13 PM
From Andrew DoughertyJust rumors floating around. But, I've heard that they are in the stage of getting contracts done.
Posted January 31, 2013 at 3:37 PM
From Rob PastorThey've also been discussing it on the WDW Magic forums recently....By the way, Eddie Sotto is reporting that Tony Baxter is retiring from Disney.
Posted January 31, 2013 at 5:37 PM
From N BLove the Incredibles.... a sequel to the original would be cool as well. Not sure how a land would work, but it could be really cool.
Posted January 31, 2013 at 5:38 PM
From Anthony MurphyIt would be good as a Spiderman-esque ride
Posted January 31, 2013 at 9:49 PM
From Eric MaloneOnly thing about The Incredibles 2 is the past attempts to get it off the ground at all. Back in 2004, Disney tried to get a sequel off the ground for The Incredibles, but the plans got scrapped for some reason. Not to mention, not too long ago (2007) Brad Bird said that he'd be open to making a sequel if he could make it superior to the original.
Posted February 1, 2013 at 8:54 AM
It's now 2013. If Disney hadn't made a move to get it into the parks in some important way now, what's the chances we'll get it now? Similarly, it's been half a decade now and we haven't heard anything from either Brad Bird or Disney/Pixar about a sequel.
So, while I'm excited about these rumors, I'll admit that it's been met with some skepticism. If they announced an Incredibles 2, I'd be cool with jumping on board 100%.
From Mitchell BrouillardYeah, but finding nemo came out before the incredibles and tht is finally getting a sequel
Posted February 1, 2013 at 9:06 AM
From Phil B.I'm with Lasseter....anything besides Carsland is fine with me. It's an amazing addition to DCA, but I'd like to see something new as well. Besides, other than RSR, the two other rides are weak and have lousy per hour capacity. Expand Lucas land, make a Wreck-it-Ralph/Video Game land, expand Pixar Place or figure out a way to get Marvel and get to building a Marvel Studios area. Leave Lasseter to play with his matchbox cars on the West Coast.
Posted February 1, 2013 at 7:05 PM
From chris conaI really want cars land in Hollywood studios.it made so much money in Cali why not put it here!
Posted February 4, 2013 at 3:38 PM
From Dominick DBecause John Lasseter is against cloning Carsland.
Posted February 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM
From Jay R.I don't think Carsland land should be in DHS.
Posted February 4, 2013 at 5:59 PM
I think HS should get it's own unique land / attraction & leave Carsland a unique draw for DCA.
It helps to give each park it's on individual style.
From Andrew DoughertyIt seems these days that when one ride is successful out in Cali, company's bring them out to Orlando.
Posted February 4, 2013 at 7:44 PM
From Manny RodriguezI Really think DHS Needs A Monsters Inc Ride with the prequel coming out and all itd be awesome a scream door E Ticket anybody?
Posted February 5, 2013 at 9:35 AM
From Mike GallagherManny's back!!!! YAY!!!
Posted February 5, 2013 at 10:23 AM
From Manny RodriguezWell Thank U Mike :)
Posted February 5, 2013 at 11:43 AM
From Rob PastorAl Lutz is reporting today that Disney has decided to put a full scale Cars Land in DHS (minus Luigi's). And Burbank has told TDO to quit downgrading the budget for the new land.His sources say that New Fantasyland isn't generating the attendance or hotel occupancy numbers they had hoped for, and customer surveys on New Fantasyland have been middling. They're looking for a late Carsland 2015 opening to jumpstart attendance for WDW. If this is accurate, this looks like a positive turnaround in thought for Disney, and may be one of the reasons that Meg Crofton was moved.This supposedly happened after Christmas attendance numbers came in. Will this leave enough money in the budget for an Incredibles attraction? Guess we will find out somewhere down the road.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 2:12 PM
From Dominick DAl Lutz and everyone else at MiceAge is full of ****. I only trust the insiders at WDWMagic and Orlando United. I can believe him that Fantasyland isn't getting people in, but that's it.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 2:18 PM
From Matt BabiakActually, I can believe the lack of attendance increase. New Fantasyland is strictly for little girls, who are the people who would go to Disneyworld anyway.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 2:40 PM
From Rob PastorDom: You just mentioned two of my favorite sites for good info. But the Lutz article sounds credible. I'll be checking United & Magic's resonse. Magic already had a Lutz info thread up but it breaks down when I try to access it.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 2:41 PM
From James TrexenOnce again, the fact that the main centerpiece of New Fantasyland isn't opening until next year may be inspiring many people to hold off on their vacations, myself included.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 3:12 PM
From Jay R.I hope they don't put Carsland there....
Posted February 5, 2013 at 3:19 PM
Use Carsland as an EXAMPLE of how to make a fully immersive land & experience, but don't simply duplicate it...do something new!
There could be a full on Monstropolis city (Monster Inc), that paradise island (Up), a land for Incredibles.
There's just so much untapped potential & if you're planning to create a new land, it would seem like you'd want to make something that people couldn't find anywhere else!!
From Rob PastorDom: Disneyhead (OU) is saying it makes sense.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 4:06 PM
From James RaoGotta agree with Jay R about Cars Land at DHS.... if the rumors are true I am very disappointed. I don't want more duplication, I want innovation.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 4:33 PM
I don't want Cars Land at WDW or Transformers at USO or Harry Potter at USH. I want the juggernauts of the theme park world to build new and innovative attractions, not fall back to the copycat practices of Six Flags and Cedar Fair.
This rumor is so disappointing, especially when Star Wars is out there for the taking.
From Rob PastorStars Wars land would be awesome. But its looking like they feel the need to fast track a land. Cars Land would be a clone with existing plans & technology, Star Wars would need more time to develop. But even if they fast track Cars to the end of 2015, by then it will be three years old, and I don't feel that it would be the turn around machine for DHS like it was DLR. Plus it will be going up against WWOHP 2 which will be a blockbuster of blockbusters.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 5:46 PM
From Dominick DAfter reading Disneyhead's response, I couldn't agree more. As much as I'd love a unique ride, there's no time left. Universal will be fast tracking some Potter stuff after Transformers opens and Disney needs to start construction FAST. Maybe after Carsland opens they can think of original ideas.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 6:46 PM
From TH CreativeRob Pastor writes: "This supposedly happened after Christmas attendance numbers came in."
Posted February 5, 2013 at 6:48 PM
I Respond: Excellent use of the word "supposedly."
From James RaoWhy fast track anything? Attendance at the US Disney parks is up 4% for the quarter, and visitor spending up 6%. Better to take the time to build something new and innovative than to fast track a copy cat attraction that will steal the thunder from the hottest park in the world, DCA. Makes no sense. Not sure why Universal is doing it with Transformers either.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 6:56 PM
Interestingly enough, I was trying to help a friend plan a WDW trip for this month, and not a single moderate or value onsite resort room is open for him and his family of four. Maybe New Fantasyland isn't bringing in DCA's insane attendance numbers (and why should it?), but it is not hurting business either. Remember, the real purpose for Fantasyland expansion was to provide more room in an already packed Magic Kingdom, not to drive huge attendance increases.
One can only hope Al Lutz, who is not known for his WDW insights, is dead wrong this time.
From TH CreativeJ-Rao rocks it!
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:07 PM
From Dominick DPotter will take a pretty good chunk of WDW's attendance. New Fantasyland doesn't have anything worthy of making a special trip just for that,
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:13 PM
From James Rao^Didn't happen with Potter 1, won't happen with Potter 2.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:18 PM
From TH CreativeDominick D writes: "Potter will take a pretty good chunk of WDW's attendance."
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:24 PM
I Respond: Please quantify that assertion. Please give us an estimate of what "a pretty good chunk" totals in numbers and when we can expect that reduction in attendance will ocuur.
From TH CreativeWhile we're on the subject ... Is Harry Potter still "hot?"
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:27 PM
From Dominick DYeah you're right, it won't be significant, but people will still go (possibly for a Universal only trip). Carsland will show them that Potter isn't the only new kid in town.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:31 PM
From Jay R.I still feel like there would be enough time to create something unique.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:31 PM
Transformers used the same ride tech as Spider-Man, but it was still a different attraction experience.
The same could be done for DHS. If everything is supposedly in place for Carsland, it will still be possible to make a unique land utilizing whatever ride systems are currently in place.
From TH CreativeDominick D. defines "a good chunk" as "at least 200,000."
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:38 PM
I Respond: The 2011 TEA/AECOM theme park industry attendance report indicates that Walt Disney World's annual attendance topped 47.4 million visitors. And so "a good chunk" (200,000) would be defined as less than one-half of one percent?
Um ... okay.
From TH CreativeBy the way Transformers, Potter 2 (if true) and the expansion of moderate priced hotels rooms is a BRILLIANT addition to UO.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:40 PM
But is Potter still hot?
From Dominick DI edited the post TH :P
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:39 PM
From TH CreativeWeak sauce Dominick. Any other posts you want to turn tail on?
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:41 PM
From Dominick DNope, I realized that that wasn't a large chunk, but I edited it 7 minutes before you posted your statement.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:44 PM
From James RaoPlease note: I am not at all trying to start anything like another Universal/Disney debate. I think BOTH companies are in some ways short-changing us fans by doing so much copycat work. I understand Universal's approach a little more, because no one travels to Universal Hollywood as a destination. No one. But for Disney, it really makes NO SENSE to diminish the best thing to ever happen at DCA by building a WDW version of Cars Land. It would be short sighted, reactionary, and just plain stupid.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:48 PM
Want me to tell you how I really feel? =)
From TH CreativeI know you did. That edit function can sure be helpful.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:50 PM
From Jay R.I agree James.
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:55 PM
DCA finally came into it's own, and to just duplicate what makes it unique knocks it back down.
And I actually didn't initially agree with Transformers going to UO. (USH needed Transformers, UO technically didn't)
And this isn't anything against the more popular Florida parks, but these Cali attractions are all less than a year old & (in Transformers case) already being copied!!
I want a New fantasyland & Gaston diner in DLR by this summer then!! Chop Chop!
From Dominick DWell you guys are getting those steins from Gaston's ;)
Posted February 5, 2013 at 7:57 PM
From Jay R.That's not enough Dom, lol!
Posted February 5, 2013 at 8:02 PM
I want that Be our Guest eatin' place in DLR! Stat!
From Matt BabiakHonestly, the issue comes down to headline attractions. Harry Potter and Transformers both are E ticket additions. New Fantasyland did not, and based off of the fact that it was a last second throw in, plus the fact that I remember some high up admitting it, tells me that the Mine Train isn't an E ticket either.
Posted February 6, 2013 at 4:32 AM
From Don NealWhy do people keep comparing MK to USO and Fantasyland to HP/TF? They couldn't be more different parks, rides, and targeted to totally different people.
Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:02 AM
Shouldn't DHS be the one being compared to USO? Or at least just compare UO to WDW without being specific to a park? Just seems like its apples and oranges to me.
DHS needs love and it sounds like love is on the way. And while I don't like the idea of copying anything either, perhaps this is a cheap way to get an update in while they bake the awesomeness that will be Star Wars or another themed area that will come shortly after. Maybe it's not an either/or conversation but a "this now and that later" conversation.
From TH CreativeMy friend's six year old daughter believes that the new Fantasyland attractions based upon 'Beauty and the Beast' and the Little Mermaid (including the meet and greet with Ariel) are ALL E-Ticket attractions.
Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:48 AM
Certainly her opinion is as credible as Matt Babiak's.
From Orrin CarstarphenI don't have a problem with the parks on the opposite coasts copying each other to a certain extent.The majority of people on the East coast will not travel to Disneyland/DCA or USH in their lifetime especially now in this economy. Hopefully a fast tracked Cars land in Studios will allow planners adequate time to design some type of meaningful Star Wars land as well.
Posted February 6, 2013 at 4:25 PM
From Bryce McGibenyI have no problem with Transformers: The Ride at USF. it's a single attraction, not a whole land like Cars Land. Cars Land is California Adventure's "big thing" and it really fits cohesively with the California theme. Why take that exclusiveness away from the park?
Posted February 6, 2013 at 6:37 PM
From Dominick DI love how people don't complain when Universal clones something but when Disney clones something it's the end of the world. Think about it, USH's only exclusive ride is the Studio Tour. DCA still has 19 other exclusive rides (including Luigi's since it won't be coming to Florida, and Animation is pretty different).
Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:23 PM
From Andrew DoughertyWith USH Evolution plan making progress I wouldn't be suprised to see a few more exclusives opening there. Also, please remember that Transformers opened first in Singapore and wasn't a USH park exclusive. Plus while Disney is copying whole lands they are also on the top 10 for attendance while USH isn't buy USO is. Therefore Universal wanting everyone to enjoy the rides they build and invest into so they copy them over to their most profitable park.
Posted February 6, 2013 at 7:31 PM
From Orrin CarstarphenThere are many of the same rides at the 2 Magic Kingdoms parks in the USA but none of them are exact duplicates. They each have their own version for better or worse so I am not sure Cars Land will be an exact duplicate either. Besides unlike Disneyland WDW is an international tourist destination so it only makes good financial sense to put a very popular attraction here on the East coast.
Posted February 6, 2013 at 8:13 PM
From chris conaBring on cars land! Think lights motor action can be related to cars it has cars already in it! Also theres so much more space in the backlot then they had in the small disneyland resort. Also why not send it here why have an incredibles ride when half the kids who visit have no idea what the ride;movie is.
Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:00 PM
From James RaoDuping Cars Land at DHS does not make financial sense when you have a much more lucrative Star Wars franchise waiting to be reborn.
Posted February 6, 2013 at 9:04 PM
From Matt Babiak@TH My point is that a 6 year old girl would likely go to Disney even if New Fantasyland was never built. Yes, the rides may be amazing to them, but if Star Wars replaced the entirety of Fantasyland (old and new), Disney is not losing any customers, because that 6 year old girl's family is still going.
Posted February 7, 2013 at 4:52 AM
What they're really doing is losing customers because New Fantasyland isn't doing anything to boost attendance outside of the main demographic of Disney.
From Jay R.Well Transformers opened in Singapore first, (by a few months) but technically, the attraction was announced as being developed for both parks at the same time (constructed was completed earlier in Singapore)
Posted February 7, 2013 at 9:36 AM
In terms of Disney, I just feel that with the resources, finances & creative talent (not to mentioned untapped franchises), something original can be developed.
My point is whatever immersive land you build, people will still go, so that's why I'm suggesting they should just do something completely original.
Obviously in theme park business, I understand why "cloning" is done, but as a theme park "fan" sometimes it's a bit disheartening (especially when you clone an entire land)
From James Rao^On the nose, Jay R. You nailed it.
Posted February 7, 2013 at 10:29 AM
From TH CreativeMatt Babiak writes: "My point is that a 6 year old girl would likely go to Disney even if New Fantasyland was never built."
Posted February 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM
I Respond: And my point is your claim that there are no E Ticket rides in the New Fantasyland is a subjective assessment.
Matt Babiak writes: What they're really doing is losing customers because New Fantasyland isn't doing anything to boost attendance outside of the main demographic of Disney.
I Respond: And what is the quantified impact of that mistake? What exactly is your math showing that such a loss will be substantial?
From Orrin Carstarphen"Obviously in theme park business, I understand why "cloning" is done, but as a theme park "fan" sometimes it's a bit disheartening (especially when you clone an entire land)"
Posted February 7, 2013 at 4:33 PM
So I guess Millions have been disheartened By visiting MK on the East coast.
Also who is to say there won't be a Star Wars land in Florida, just because Cars Land is fast tracked doesn't mean Star Wars land is dead. There is plenty of room for both and I would rather see Disney take their time and get it right as opposed to rushing something out.
From Jay R."Obviously in theme park business, I understand why "cloning" is done, but as a theme park "fan" sometimes it's a bit disheartening (especially when you clone an entire land)"
Posted February 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM
So I guess Millions have been disheartened By visiting MK on the East coast.
My point was a preference for originality when it comes to creating new lands. And the fact that Lasseter has such a strong opinion about it not being duplicated shows that there are others who feel the same way.
Like I said, whatever they build, the crowds will still come, it's the # 1 theme park resort in the world.
From James RaoMillions of people watch American Idol - does that mean it is a good TV show? Stephen King has been publishing the literary equivalent of his laundry list for the past 20 years, but millions of people continue to read his tripe - does that mean he's still a great writer? In other words, just because the masses are a$$es, doesn't mean duping attractions is the right thing to do. I would expect Theme Park Insiders to be a bit more discriminating in their attraction desires than the average Joe who thinks, "why should I spend the money to go to Orlando/SoCal/Sandusky/Williamsburg/Branson/Pigeon Forge when Six Flags Saint Louis is just down the road?"
Posted February 8, 2013 at 4:28 AM
Furthermore, if John Lasseter, the head of Walt Disney Imagineering and the savior of the hottest theme park on the planet (DCA), says it is an unbelievably bad idea to bring Cars Land to Orlando, why are we even having this debate? Seems like he would know a lot more about it than any of us, right?
From Mike GallagherJames said: "Stephen King has been publishing the literary equivalent of his laundry list for the past 20 years, but millions of people continue to read his tripe - does that mean he's still a great writer?"
Posted February 8, 2013 at 6:59 AM
Actually, he still can be..11/22/63 proved it to me, a LONG-time King fan who had doubts. I'm currently reading Under The Dome. While not top-drawer, it's more than holding my interest.
From James RaoTo be honest, SK could make a visit to the latrine entertaining (and he has), but I haven't read one of his "bestsellers" since he had the temerity to put himself into his own story and then viciously and unceremoniously locked Gunslinger Roland into an infinite loop (one of the oldest clichés in the literary world). For those egregious errors there will be no forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come. #unforgivablesin
Posted February 8, 2013 at 8:06 AM
From Mike GallagherKing fan or no, I stopped reading the Dark Tower books when I couldn't get through the second one.
Posted February 8, 2013 at 8:15 AM
From James RaoThe first five books were terrific. The last two...not so much.
Posted February 8, 2013 at 8:42 AM
My apologies for ruining the "ending".
From Mike GallagherApology unnecessary (for me, anyway,) James.
Posted February 8, 2013 at 9:51 AM
And *I* apologize to all readers for taking this way off topic.
From TH CreativeJ-Rao writes: "Millions of people watch American Idol - does that mean it is a good TV show?"
Posted February 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM
I Respond: Idol is NOT a TV show! It is an epic touchstone in the progression of civilization. An event certainly as powerful and indispensible as the planet's Genesis. A heralded beacon of human expression to be ranked alongside the cave paintings at Lascaux, the presentation of Sophocles and the lyrical catalog of David Cassidy. Bring thyself to one knee Rao -- And be humble when expressing its name.
From James Rao^American Idol is an updated version of the Gong Show - and really, not nearly as good. Chuck Barris would be suing for his share of the ca$h if he had not been assassinated years ago....
Posted February 8, 2013 at 3:46 PM
What? He's still alive? Does the CIA know? And what in the world is Jaye P. Morgan doing today? She should be a judge on American Idol fo'sho'!
From Tony DudaI've seen David Cassidy perform, I've heard David Cassidy sing live, and you sir are no David Cassidy.
Posted February 8, 2013 at 3:48 PM
(Kind of a non sequitur but it sounded funny in my head. I really did see him in 2008 at Epcot)
From TH CreativeBehold the GLORY of the IDOL ... See the RAO tremble at its feet!
Posted February 8, 2013 at 6:02 PM
Related: I heard an typical, cliche rumor about a Disney attraction themed for The Incredibles posted on a website ... Annnnnnnnnnnd, discuss.
From James RaoI only tremble when Chuck Barris crosses my path....
Posted February 8, 2013 at 6:28 PM
From Tony Duda...but I get happy seeing Gene Gene the dancing machine.
Posted February 8, 2013 at 7:32 PM
Quiz- Why is it completely appropriate to discuss Chuck Barris in Theme Park Insider?
From Jay R.Cause of Palisades Amusement Park?
Posted February 8, 2013 at 7:47 PM
From TH CreativeBAAAHdup bup bup bup ... BAAAHdup bup bup bup ... BAAAHdup bup bup bup ... BAAAHdup bup bup bup ...
Posted February 9, 2013 at 2:58 AM
From Mike GallagherHey, the Ramones covered the song too. Can we discuss them?
Posted February 9, 2013 at 4:16 AM
From Tony DudaMike, Chuck wrote it, never sang it on record, Freddy "Boom Boom" Cannon sang the original. But, we can talk about the Ramones anyway. Now, a theme park based on the Ramones would be something worth paying admission for.
Posted February 9, 2013 at 12:02 PM
From Andrew DoughertyHard Rock Park anyone?
Posted February 9, 2013 at 12:10 PM
From Dominick DGet back to topic, this is the Universal expansion all over again.
Posted February 9, 2013 at 12:21 PM
From Rob PastorDom: Have you heard any new hard info since the Mice Age Cars Land info came out? Some discussions on the other sites I follow but mostly just speculation or comments on the Lutz article.
Posted February 9, 2013 at 2:18 PM
From Dominick DNot really.
Posted February 9, 2013 at 2:43 PM
From Mike Gallagher"Get back to topic, this is the Universal expansion all over again."
Posted February 9, 2013 at 4:54 PM
Said the young fellow who's led us off topic so many times in the past with irrelevant videos and such.
From James RaoQuick thread hijack for a shameless plug:
Posted February 10, 2013 at 5:00 AM
Forget this "speculation" thread, folks, and go to the front page of TPI and read some real news! For the first time in a long time, the biggest new attraction at a theme park is not in Orlando or SoCal, but at a popular Midwestern tourist destination known as Silver Dollar City. Yes-sir-eee, Outlaw Run, the first inverted wooden coaster to be attempted since the infamous Son of Beast was closed in 2009, is set to open this March. And it is big, big news in the theme park world. Read about Outlaw Run HERE! ;)
From Anthony MurphyWow shameless plug....
Posted February 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM
I learn from the best....expect a plug from me in the next few weeks....
Anyway, if Lasseter is mad, I doubt Disney would go though with it since he is kinda the guy calling the shots....attraction wise
From James RaoI can't wait for your upcoming feature, Anthony. And shameless plugs are only bad if they are shameful!
Posted February 10, 2013 at 11:42 AM
As for Lasseter, I think he has a strong voice, but the bean counters still call the shots. Maybe when Iger moves on (not to slight him as he has done a decent job of growing the empire) Lasseter will take over completely, then we'll have a Walt Disney-like visionary running the entire show.
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