New Ride for Wonderland Sydney?

Have you been to Wonderland? Well, apparently they are planning somthing big.

From tim sherwin
Posted January 4, 2002 at 7:17 PM
Is anyone here from Australia?

Have you been to Wonderland? Well, apparently they are planning somthing big. I read on screamscape.com that they were looking at getting a Vekoma mega looper so they could set some sort of record, but heard about one going in the UK. So they are now supposed to be looking at an Intamin hyper? Anyone know anything else?

From Anonymous
Posted August 7, 2002 at 11:58 PM
There has been a lot of hype and excitement within Wonderland.

Big things are happening and the park is looking better than ever

Hey did anyone know that Space Probe was the first freefall ride of its type?

This only shows that Wonderland will be a big player and it wont disappoint when a new ride is announced.

From Anonymous
Posted August 8, 2002 at 12:04 AM
Speaking of you current/past employees, whats it like to work at a fun park?

What rides do you work on? Do you get to work on the Space Probe 7 or the big wooden coaster ride??? That would be awesome....

Would it be worth getting a job there?

From Anonymous
Posted August 9, 2002 at 8:13 AM
Hi , Space Probe is the second freefall ride in the world the first was built in the us but due to Intamin not allowing for varying temps on different areas of the tower the first freefall didnt make opening day. I am a current space probe operator and yes it is a great buzz being in control of a A$10 million ride. I would recomend the job to any ride enthusiast.

From Anonymous
Posted August 9, 2002 at 8:18 AM
Sadly ,Wonderland lost a member of staff today... Simon Martin went out swimmingly to join the ranks at MLC. Farewell Simon and good luck

From James Tacey
Posted August 10, 2002 at 3:49 AM
Ok guys, there are alot of Anonymous posters here, lets get some people registering.

You'll be able to vote on listed rides, leave comments and plus everyone will know who you are :-)

Registration is free, and includes a free optional e-mail newsletter. If you don't want to receive e-mail, thats no problem either, as themeparkinsider.com doesn't share any of your information with anyone else.

Remember, the more people we get joining up the more features we can put on this site.

From Wonderland Operator
Posted August 11, 2002 at 7:02 AM
a few of the anon posts above belong to me. I have registered now but please excuse the fake name, as a wonderland employee my job would be lost if management could identify me.

From Anonymous
Posted August 13, 2002 at 2:10 AM
Cool... i was thinkin about trying out for a job out there

how long did u need to be on the rides before they [put you on space probe 7? i bet they would put you on those kids rides first eh?

is there anything new on the board for wonderland?

From James Tacey
Posted August 14, 2002 at 10:46 PM
Hey, not a problem, welcome to Themeparkinsder Wonderland Operator! Good to see some more Sydneysiders on the site, and there is something coming very soon to this site that should give you all something to come here for :-).

Allright, back onto topic;
As I'm sure everyone heard, Wonderland was due to get an Intima looper last year. If that's true then you'd think the new ride is also going to be Intamin. One thing worth considering is that Intima make all the products that Wonderland is rumoured to get. They make rides like Wild West at Movieworld, they make inverts, and they make hypers.

Still, all those rides are expensive, and a park like Wonderland (which has no competition) could probably maintain attendence with cheaper attractions. Think about it, the nearest quality park is about a 14 hour drive away, so Wonderland don't need to add new rides all the time (or ever as it seems).

All Wonderland really need to do to maintain attendance is to add a new show every year or two. When they last added a new ride (Space Probe) it was Wonderland's answer to Big Dipper at Luna Park which had recently opened. Still, now that Luna Park is being redeveloped, hopefully that'll mean some new things at Wonderland....

From Wonderland Operator
Posted August 15, 2002 at 5:00 AM
Thanx for the welcome , the Intamin looper was confirmed by management but the deal was terminated after another park built a similar coaster elsewhere.

From Anonymous
Posted August 19, 2002 at 11:30 PM
On one of Sydneys main radio stations this morning there was a rumor that the owners of wonderland were talking with disney.

From Wonderland Operator
Posted August 20, 2002 at 4:30 AM
Management tells us they are currently talking to a lot of companies about theming contracts for kids rides. The radio might be right. However Dreamworks seems to be getting most of the business with shrek and Spirit Stallion of the cimmaron. Stay tuned for more !

From Wonderland Operator
Posted August 20, 2002 at 4:43 AM
Wonderland has some new weekend entertainment on the way. On the coming soon list is Wrestling , Velcro wall and Horizontal Bungee

From Richard Wilson
Posted August 21, 2002 at 3:01 AM
I find it odd that Wonderland would even think of getting new theming for their kiddies rides.

They are moving the rides to better locations across the park, but if they wanted cartoon theming, then I seriously doubt they'd have let their Hanna-Barbera contract go.

Contrary to popular belief, this contract wasn't taken by Movie World, or anyone for that matter. They simply let it expire. They could have very easily renewed it - it would have proven cheaper and easier, than removing the theming, then six months later getting new theming which serves the same purpose.

From Anonymous
Posted August 25, 2002 at 12:21 AM
Well i visited wonderland today and they are changing alot of things. This weeks change is that the sea planes that used to be in little wonders land have now been moved down into transalvania. They are now called Little Monsters flying something. Another ride is being moved aswell from little wonders land this time it is going to be placed outside the dodgem cars and i think it will be the baby bumpers that will go there because there isnt a great amount of room there.

From Anonymous
Posted August 26, 2002 at 1:50 AM
i've heard that they're going to change it into Disneyland!

From Anonymous
Posted August 26, 2002 at 2:54 AM
I too work @ WALLYWORLD... it sad to say Little Wondersland is NO more as of today. They put up a fence, half the maintenance guys got laid off, and if they don't make a profit by FEB next year WALLYWORLD will cease to exist. This is a sad chain of events for the time I have been there it has been ALL down hill!! But this is just what the rumour mill has provided me with but from fairly reliable sources.

From Wonderland Operator
Posted August 26, 2002 at 4:48 AM
Hi all Wallyworld knows who i am . The wankerland express has been experiencing technical dificulties again its been running with only 2 of three carriages.
Anyway the word in the park is Wonderland will not exist after Feb 1st 2003. Little wondersland is gone (sad But true K dear was that you)along with it Beastie and Skyrider have reached thier retirement. No more rides will be moving from LWL our maint crew have been told. Ampols Great race is rumored to be closing until Xmas holidays to save $$$. All Staff are worried about thier future!!
Wonderland - Wonder how they call it a theme park!

From Wonderland Operator
Posted August 26, 2002 at 4:59 AM
Wonderland is finding any reason to terminate staff or cut shifts including
* sacking staff for reading non-wonderland material
* Suspension of duties for not emptying the bosses bin
* Suspension of duties for minor medical problems even though you can still perform your duties at other positions.

From Richard Wilson
Posted August 26, 2002 at 5:48 AM
Wonderland Sydney has been pulling well in excess of 1 million people per year since 1985 when it opened. Somehow I don't know how Wonderland goes, in under a year, from completely rebranding and greatly improving the park, to shutting up shop.

Similarly, a decision like this would never be made overnight, like you've made it out to. They wouldn't in the space of a few months, change their plans from moving all the former Little Wonder's Land rides into the park, to closing the park.

At Australia's most popular park, Australia's largest park, they wouldn't just decide to close shop. I doubt highly that ends aren't meeting, especially with the numbers of people that visit the park on a yearly basis. If such a decision were made, it'd be made YEARS in advance, if this is happening, then it would happen in 2005 or 2006, but I doubt that highly. Mr Galbraith is an intelligent man, who is seasoned in the theme park industry, under his leadership, the park has only further strengthened itself, not the contrary, which is what you're asking us to believe.

From Anonymous
Posted August 26, 2002 at 10:11 PM
Who are you Richard Wilson??? You are either highly uninformed, or a manager trying to counteract these facts!

From Anonymous
Posted August 26, 2002 at 10:13 PM
Another co-incidence. Wonderland has been flogging off Wonderpasses at nearly half price! Mmm I wouldn't be buying those if i was YOU!

From Anonymous
Posted August 26, 2002 at 10:15 PM
For the last year Wonderland has been flooding the marketplace with hundreds of discounts such as Adults at Kids prices, they are obvoiusly trying desperately to get guests into the park.

From Anonymous
Posted August 26, 2002 at 10:19 PM
Wonderland Operator the reason they are terminating people is because of their involvement in union activities. There finding any excuse to remove "trouble makers" from Wonderland at the moment, because it's a boiling point.

From James Tacey
Posted August 26, 2002 at 10:19 PM
Ok, enough's enough. A bit of maturity from everyone wouldn't go astray here. Making up rumours is to know one's advantage, and degrades this site. Wonderland isn't going anywhere, its attendance is still strong, and has a pretty good operating profit margin.

There is no call for what's going on at the moment, and if there is a genuine rumour out there (which is quite unlikely - putting it very politely), post it, and watch what you type, this is after all a family website.

I don't know what everyone thinks, but this board IS moderated, so stop the bull right here ok?

From Anonymous
Posted August 27, 2002 at 1:10 AM
It would be very sad if the rumors about wonderland were true. We only have one theme park here and i reckon it is getting better every week. And is it true that little wonders land is complietely gone now. If it is where is the magic show.

From Wonder Girl
Posted August 27, 2002 at 1:24 AM
Dear James and Richard...
Given the nature of this site anonymity is somewhat assured. However, it seems from your responses that neither of you has been to the park lately or if you have it was on a weekend during school holidays... nor does it seem that you have experienced FIRST HAND what it is like to be a ride attendant at WALLYWORLD SYDNEY. I can assure that Wonderland is NOT pulling the amount of people you claim it is.
As I stated yesterday, I work there and quite often during the week I've had 2 people on my ride in 1 hour and many other operators have experienced similar numbers. I do not see how figures like these could equate to the terrific numbers you are spruiking. (Weekends are only a little better)
I also beg to differ about Wonderland being the biggest theme park in Australia... it may have been when it first opened. Presently... in the year 2002... It is outclassed and outsized by the Gold Coast theme parks.
As for the rumours I did state they came from a very good source i.e. the person got the info from the parent company website! On another note about rumours... management does nothing to fill in any blanks (even when asked directly) so it’s not like staff can be blamed for rapid informal communication!
If Steven is such an intelligent man than why does he not use his intelligence? Staff morale is at an ALL TIME LOW which is why staff have taken drastic measures i.e. Going to the union to improve conditions. If Steven used this intelligence and worked on improving staff morale than maybe numbers would improve.
Ride operators in my opinion are the ones who help create the atmosphere... if they don't want to be there than they are going pass this negativity on to guests. I have been told on a few occasions that I was the first ride operator that a guest has seen smiling ALL DAY! Now if that does not tell you something about the situation at WALLYWORLD. Than obviously as Wonderland Op said you are management trying to diffuse rumours.
But there wouldn't be any rumours if management took the time, effort and resources to make their staff feel appreciated and fill them in on what plans are instead of keeping staff in the dark and exploiting them in order to try and make a profit. Which as mentioned on the parent company’s website, is not happening at the moment
K

From Richard Wilson
Posted August 27, 2002 at 3:34 AM
The last time I was at Wonderland Sydney was around a month ago. I was provided with press tickets by the park's Publicity Officer. I believe it was in line with the Qld holidays, but I don't think at the time, it was NSW holidays yet. I'm not a park manager. The only professional relationship I have with any staff at the park, is through my work. I have the same at all three Gold Coast parks, and various others scattered around the country.

From my visit, it was a terribly cold day that I visited. It was windy, cloudy and no more than about 15^ all day.

Now, having said that, I don't see what you mean by the park being deserted. The crowds on that day were in line with the Gold Coast parks at a similar time of year - and that's without the warm weather to draw people.

What you say about Wonderland flogging off their season passes and discounted tickets and whatnot, is not at all out of line with what the parks up here are doing. This has been Movie World's way of operating for a number of years. Dreamworld have their classic $10 return tickets, and so on.

Hey - you say that your rides are getting few riders per hour. Dreamworld, midweek has no one there. Giant Drop, Cyclone, Thunderbolt and so forth are walkons.

Most of the flat rides at Dreamworld rarely have a queue - even in peak season.

You can't say that the major rides aren't getting the attention. Beastie had a hefty queue all day when I was at WLS. Deamon, I didn't see a single dispatch with more than about 4 seats empty.

Someone above said I was a park manager trying to 'counteract the facts'. Anyone in a management position knows not to say anything about any rumours. Similarly, they know that nothing is a fact until a press release has been sent out.

It was also said (by the same person), that Wonderland is flogging off yearly passes. Straight up, that is a breach of contract. The last thing a park, that know's its going down the sink within six months, is start selling of mass season passes.

From Richard Wilson
Posted August 27, 2002 at 4:45 AM
I've been doing a bit of research tonight. While I know the general information, I didn't have the hardcore facts to back up my claims. Something that, in particular in this industry, are needed if you're to get anywhere.

Wonderland Sydney, admittedly had a rather down 2000 season. However, their 2001 season was quite strong, up 20% on 2000, and the park's best season in 5 years. Considering the various mishaps in the general tourism industry last year, the park is clearly doing something right.

They've been exceeding forecasts for attendance and expendidure per capita. I don't know of any business that would set forcasts to such a level where they aren't making a profit.

From James Tacey
Posted August 27, 2002 at 5:09 AM
Wonder Girl, check your claims. I thought I'd pass along the Sunway (one of Wonderland's parent companies) website, so you can check this out for yourself.

http://www.sunway.com.my/group/invest/fr.asp?cmdc=anlcty

To find the relevant stuff, click "Chairman's Report" and you'll get a .PDF file. When you do, go to about the 12th page, and there is a few paragraphs there relating to Wonderland.

That info is from the beginning of 2001, and does indeed sound quite grim. Reading that (and only that) the pessimism appears quite justified.

However what that page doesn't tell you is that attendance at all the Australian parks was 'soft' in 2000, and that attendance at Wonderland was up 20% last year, and that's in the new press releases which Richard has a copy of.

Can I also make it clear that neither myself or Richard ever make things up, it all comes direct from various press releases and official sources.

Also, just quicky in defense of Stephen Gaibrath, he used to work as an park manager at Seaworld, and from that time, I can tell you, he knows what he's on about. True, staff morale isn't his thing, but park operations is. He also took Micheal Croaker and Andrew Cole with him when he went to Wonderland, and they are some of the nicest guys (well managers) I've known. Micheal Croaker (Wonderland's entertainment boss) was once a contestent on 'Man O Man', and won.

From Anonymous
Posted August 28, 2002 at 1:03 AM
Today my brother drove past wonderland on the way to skool and told me that the sky rider was missing. Can anyone that works there confirm if the skyrider is gone. Also Little Wonders Land has been removed from the themed lands page on the wonderland website.

From Wonderland Operator
Posted September 3, 2002 at 6:01 AM
Skyrider is still standing however it is no longer in use. Management has changed thier mind and started moving baby bumpers down from little wonderland in front of the dodgem cars. In house rumours still favour Feb closeing date. Massive reduction in staff rostered hours has been happening in all departments.

From Wonderland Operator
Posted September 9, 2002 at 5:43 AM
Hi Again guys and Gals .. I've been putting the sunway-wonderland story together and have came up with a wonder story : Sunway has set up a paper company called International Theme parks to handle wonderland sydney . After extensive research on sunway (thanks to James for the link) i found that thier Sydney interst is in land not the theme park. International Theme parks the company not having anything other than a name linked back to Sunway.
The evidence on International Theme parks being in control of Wonderland is on the top of my pay slip each week.
Wondergirl pointed out that wonderland is no longer the biggest theme park in the southern hemisphere and with just 13 rides operating i would agree but in land terms it is still the biggest they just dont use it all.
So here i challenge Sunway and Steve Gailbraithe to come clean and tell us the full story!

From James Tacey
Posted September 13, 2002 at 6:38 AM
If it makes you feel any better about the land thing, Warner Village Theme Parks own 100 hectares (252 acres) of land for the Movieworld complex, so Wonderland hasn't been the biggest theme park in Australia for at least 10 years now.

While I'm here, Wonderland Operator, while I'm not saying your wrong, I know I, and I'm sure every other reader here, would appreciate a website where these facts are stated. If you can back up what your saying, then I think you'll get more support for your cause. Am I asking to much to back up your claims?

Also, if Stephen Gailbraith ever does announce anything to staff, he won't do it through a public website, so hounding him here isn't going to help.

From Wonderland Operator
Posted September 14, 2002 at 6:30 AM
Hey James i followed the sunway links from this discussion and investigated International theme parks (the name that appears on my pay slip) using the Sunway site search and found
http://www.sunway.com.my/webgroups/fact/srch/src3.asp?com=88
then again using the sunway site search i entered land under the product and found
http://www.sunway.com.my/webgroups/fact/srch/src3.asp?com=65
I concluded that if the product is land and the company is Wonderland then the park future isnt very secure now you have the facts acording to Sunway via Wonderland operator and the links to back it up.
As for Stephen Gailbraith making an anouncement we are expecting another Ansett ... no anouncement till the gates are locked. This is why i have asked for him to come clean.
In other signs of doom The Bush Beast is closed until further notice leaving wonderland with only one rollercoaster in operation.

From Wonderland Operator
Posted September 14, 2002 at 6:54 AM
just in case you would like to do the research for yourself here is the link to the Sunway products and services site search..
http://www.sunway.com.my/webgroups/fact/srch/fr.asp

From James Tacey
Posted September 15, 2002 at 1:18 AM
Thanks for the link Wonder Op.

I too entered 'land' into Sunland's search thing and Wonderland came up. But then I entered "Wonder" into products, and Wonderland came up again, so the land could just be park of the name of the company, especially considering it doesn't list 'Land' under products in the info page that comes up.

Still, you are correct in at least one sense, it has been confirmed that Wonderland (or International Theme Parks) are selling off/building an office park (can't remember which) on part of the excess land which they own. Its debatable how that'll effect the park, and remember, Movieworld and Seaworld have both used excess land for other enterprises (Movieworld uses some land for Movie studios and Seaworld uses excess land for Seaworld Nara Resort), and Dreamworld wants to build a town center on its excess land (that info is somewhere on www.asx.com.au. Can't be bothered looking for it just now. Try searching past amouncements by MLE).

Also to prove that I'm not a hypocrite about the link thing, the info about Movieworld's land can be found here www.villageroadshow.com.au Hold your mouse over 'Company Profile' and click theme parks. :-)

From James Tacey
Posted September 15, 2002 at 1:37 AM

From James Tacey
Posted September 16, 2002 at 3:40 AM
Ok guys, passing on a message which I received via e-mail:

I used to work for Sega World in Sydney. I remember just before the park
closed down they tried everything possible to boost attendances. In the
last couple of months before the park suddenly closed they injected quite
a few million dollars worth of capital to upgrade rides and add new
features. So it is always possible for any business to close without
warning, even if they have just spent loads of money on it.

I was told by Wonderland that they were planning on expanding the water
park and adding a large wave pool when Sungeiway first purchased the park
a few years ago (similar to the sunway lagoon water park). They were also
planning on building a hotel and golf course. For some reason this did not
go ahead. It is a shame as the water park desperately needs to be
expanded/upgraded.

More recently (about a year or maybe 2 ago) Wonderland had posted signs in
their staff areas advising of a new attraction that was being built (sort
of like a massive bungee sling shot). Again, this didn't happen.
Wonderland management apparantley decided that they had enough rides and
could focus on more 'entertainment based' attractions ie. shows instead of
rides which are basically 100 times cheaper.

I was always sad that Wonderland didn't add any new rides after space
probe. It must be a money issue. The Gold Coast theme parks are reaching
such new standards with new multi million dollar attractions each year and
then there's poor old Wonderland which hasnt added anything worthwhile for
over 7 years.

I also find it very interesting about the Sky Hawk closure and the removal
of Little Wonders Land. What is the purpose behind that? What will happen
to the Beastie?

From Wonderland Operator
Posted September 16, 2002 at 5:07 AM
Beastie has been retired and by wonderlands previous ride removals i would asume it will be left to rot alongside ned kelly's getaway ,flintstone Splashdown , the paddleboats and skyhawk in the grass at the back of the former Little wonders land. Another bad sign for wonderlands future is the high turnover of employees including management level ,not just the ride op and retail staff.

From Ronald Schettino
Posted September 16, 2002 at 4:05 PM
In the early eighties, I worked at a park in the U.S. -- Paragon Park, Natasket Beach, Hull, Mass. -- This park closed its doors without warning. Park management never let out a whisper that the park would be closing its doors forever.

The park's closing was not due to poor attendence, however. It was due to the passing of a new agreement between the locals and city management that no entertainment complex could be operational within the city. Locals claimed the park drew to the area a bad element (drugs and youth violence). Since I had started working there from the time I left high school, I had planned to retire there. The park had been in operation since 1917 and was showing record attendance when I started my first summer.

The area was re-zoned for condominiums, but ended up going from Paragon Park, to paragon parking lot :/

So, I can tell you from first hand: MANAGEMENT WILL NOT INFORM ATTRACTION OPERATORS OF A PARK CLOSING.

From Richard Wilson
Posted September 16, 2002 at 8:10 PM
This alleged closing of Beastie puzzles me. This ride is in good shape, it is relatively young, and is probably the most popular ride in the park.

From Wonder Girl
Posted September 20, 2002 at 1:03 AM
Richard... beastie is gone its about as good to anyone as firewood. It IS old and you can see that the wood hasn't been taken care of like it should.
Much too the disappointment of many children and parents who have complained to me over the past few weeks. "I don't know anything" is all I can tell them because Mr Gailbraith won't tell us anything. But as has been mentioned in this discussion management never will tell staff anything until the day they rock up for work and find the gates locked and security out the front telling everyone to go home and because we are all casual they can do us over like that. Big Business has no semblance of morals or conscience whatsover!!!!!

From Wonder? Critic
Posted September 22, 2002 at 9:39 PM
Park Update;

*Little Wondersland (Ex Hanna Barberra) is now closed.
In the last 2 years many attractions have been closed
- Silly Stix
- Shyhawk
- Wizards Fury
- Skyrider
- Beastie
- Balloon Race (will relocate)
- Carousel (may relocate)

Unfortunately most of these were most suited to a younger demographic and so there is a general lack of children rides (compared to before) at the moment.
However there still is a number of other existing rides that younger children can still ride, many shows, and the Wildlife Park.

*The park have been providing guests with value added attractions on the weekends, such as "Extreme Activities", and IWA pro wrestling. These change regulary. This was an essential move by Wonderland due to the recent closure of Little Wonderland. It also promotes repeat visits by wonderpass holders

*Baby Bumpers should be ready for operation after it's relocation from Little Wondersland this weekend.

*The beach will finally open on the 28th of September after being delayed from the original opening date.

*Wonderland has been trialing extened trading on Saturday nights until 9pm with $16.50 after 5 Entry.

*These School Holidays value adding will occur with the Powderpuff Girls appearing in their own show. This is in addition to the already comprehensive live entertainment line up, including the return of Spellbinding Sorcery after a break.


*It seems this Halloween Weekend will see the reintroduction of Frightfeast with extended trading.
---------------------------

Lets hope the park is able to bounce back after the recent drastic changes.

The park has yet to make a new major character agreement after ending with Hanna Barberra.

Character appearances still occur by Shrek, Action Man, Spirit and Blinky Bill etc. However guests in most cases are not able to take photos with there own camera!
I dislike when characters appear at the front gate they stand as close as possible to the side gate as possible, so a quick escape can be made at the earliest time possible.
This means if guests do take photos they get the lovely Bounty Burgers eating area in the background.
The retro show is quite good but hasn't been changed for a very very long time. The "atmosphere" entertainment in general needs an overhaul (ie the street theatre)
Whilst the shows in general are of a high standard far exceeding Dreamworld’s current offerings (particularly Spellbinding Magic) they have been running for almost 3 years now and I believe have been seen by a majority of visitors.

The park has not yet been able to introduce the new uniform, I have noticed some staff wearing. At the moment there is an array of different uniform colours and styles within some departments.

From Wonder? Critic
Posted September 22, 2002 at 9:39 PM
Park Update;

*Little Wondersland (Ex Hanna Barberra) is now closed.
In the last 2 years many attractions have been closed
- Silly Stix
- Shyhawk
- Wizards Fury
- Skyrider
- Beastie
- Balloon Race (will relocate)
- Carousel (may relocate)

Unfortunately most of these were most suited to a younger demographic and so there is a general lack of children rides (compared to before) at the moment.
However there still is a number of other existing rides that younger children can still ride, many shows, and the Wildlife Park.

*The park have been providing guests with value added attractions on the weekends, such as "Extreme Activities", and IWA pro wrestling. These change regulary. This was an essential move by Wonderland due to the recent closure of Little Wonderland. It also promotes repeat visits by wonderpass holders

*Baby Bumpers should be ready for operation after it's relocation from Little Wondersland this weekend.

*The beach will finally open on the 28th of September after being delayed from the original opening date.

*Wonderland has been trialing extened trading on Saturday nights until 9pm with $16.50 after 5 Entry.

*These School Holidays value adding will occur with the Powderpuff Girls appearing in their own show. This is in addition to the already comprehensive live entertainment line up, including the return of Spellbinding Sorcery after a break.


*It seems this Halloween Weekend will see the reintroduction of Frightfeast with extended trading.
---------------------------

Lets hope the park is able to bounce back after the recent drastic changes.

The park has yet to make a new major character agreement after ending with Hanna Barberra.

Character appearances still occur by Shrek, Action Man, Spirit and Blinky Bill etc. However guests in most cases are not able to take photos with there own camera!
I dislike when characters appear at the front gate they stand as close as possible to the side gate as possible, so a quick escape can be made at the earliest time possible.
This means if guests do take photos they get the lovely Bounty Burgers eating area in the background.
The retro show is quite good but hasn't been changed for a very very long time. The "atmosphere" entertainment in general needs an overhaul (ie the street theatre)
Whilst the shows in general are of a high standard far exceeding Dreamworld’s current offerings (particularly Spellbinding Magic) they have been running for almost 3 years now and I believe have been seen by a majority of visitors.

The park has not yet been able to introduce the new uniform, I have noticed some staff wearing. At the moment there is an array of different uniform colours and styles within some departments.

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From Wonderland Operator
Posted September 23, 2002 at 4:49 AM
Hey Wonder? critic , Nice analysis of wonderland but where did you get the inside info on the Little Wonders Land rides. Our Maintenance staff aren't even aware of any more rides moving after Baby Bumpers is completed .... Are you in management ?

From Wonderland Operator
Posted September 23, 2002 at 5:05 AM
HMMM hey wonderland staff members this Quote was heard at recent meetings with guess who
"However there still is a number of other existing rides that younger children can still ride, many shows, and the Wildlife Park"

Trouble is the number referred to is currently 2 rides with the third tipped for the weekend .
Younger Kids Dont want to watch Spellbinding Sorcery and are growing tired of the long unchanged Action man lives , Repeatedly kids of all ages are telling us that the animals are boring so it seems that the management line isn't working.
By the way i have been to the other forum that Wonder? Critic is shamefully advertising ( your ip address gives you away ) and there isn't any wonderland posts yet but don't worry i will soon .

From James Tacey
Posted September 24, 2002 at 1:50 AM
Hey, I don't mind a bit of shameless advertising, after all one of those sites is mine and the other one is Richard Wilson's :-)

Wonderland only has 3 rides for kids? Which age group are we talking about here?

What about HMS Endeavour, Tas. Devil, Zodiac, Wonderland Express, the Great Race, Dragon's flight, Blinky Bill, Baby Bumpers and the kiddie rides in Translvania?

Correct me if I'm wrong but they have always stuck me as kiddie rides (with the possible exception of Tas. Devil), and with the reopening of the beach, I'd be thinking Wonderland is still pretty well stocked in the kiddie ride department.

Welcome to Theme Park Insider Wonder? Critic. Perhaps you could tell me what kind of effect has the extended trading hours and extra weekend activities had on attendance on those days? The only Gold Coast park that does anything like that is Wet 'n' Wild, and that is really good for them. It sounds like something that the rest of the Gold Coast parks should be doing, and its good too seeing Wonderland trialing something like that too keep the 'peeps coming

From Richard Wilson
Posted September 24, 2002 at 4:34 AM
Wonderland Sydney realised they were down the toilet after the 2000 season. Much of the 2001 season was spent refurbishing and attacking the major problems with what was already there. Among these issues was the ride quality of Demon, which has since been improved amazingly. There was a bit of track and support structure on Bush Beast that was replaced, no noticable difference to the ride, but it ensures that the ride is at least surviving.

Then they lost their Hanna Babera contract, and decided not to renew, so the HB land was rebranded, and the issue of a needlessly large kiddies area was tackled this year. Many of the rides have been relocated. Beastie is aparently down indefinitely. This could in reality mean anything from routine or non-routine maintenance, relocation into the park to finish tieing the knot, or maybe even a grim future.

I still stand by my claim that Wonderland Sydney will not be closing down anytime in the near future. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that the past few years (pre-2001) haven't been terribly good, despite still attracting a profitable amount of guests. However, the future is simply far too bright for that.

Recent press releases have made links back to one of their Halloween events that attracted 23,000 people in a single day - the most at a park in Australia. It seems that Mr Galbraith saw that something like this would work well.

As others have said, they've extended hours to late at night - perhaps one of the most brilliant moves in general park managing over the past decade. This has a lot more value to parkgoers than a $10 return pass a la Dreamworld. The atmosphere at most parks at night compared to day is amazing.

They're responding to customer demands - as shown by the introduction of a Powerpuff Girls show.

You might say that this is like a last resort, giving one last struggle before giving in, but I think it is exactly the oposite. They are consolodating their already strong attendance. I don't know how you feel, but I always feel that the best atmosphere at a park is created by the people there - lots of them. A crowded park (within reason) gives a happier and more fulfilling feeling at the end of the day. You'll be more likely to purchase a piece of merchandise etc if you had to wait an hour for the ride. If you just walked on, and did so 10 times in the day, you'll feel there is nothing to remember. And as their motto says - "You'll Always Remember".

From Anonymous
Posted October 20, 2002 at 7:22 PM
These dudes are just about gone. They killed off some staff the other day, without any warning. They're trying to stitch up a deal with a big U.S. company to save their bacon, but its a matter of time. The big managers are losers, but they somehow get away with not doing their job while the everyday staff get the hatchet. Its sad reading the see-through pro-wonderland managers contributing to this site, just to save face. good on you ZS.

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