Trouble in Downtown Disney?
I just read online in the Orlando Sentinel that a device similar to a pipe bomb was found in a dumpster at Downtown Disney
around 12:30 am today. Fortunately, no one was hurt and no damage was done, except to the trash recepticle. Downtown Disney has been in the news lately - there was the couple who claimed to have been kidnapped from the parking lot; 4 Florida State football recruits were banned from Disney for life when they didn't leave the area when asked (the ban has since been reversed). According to the local police and Disney security, they are trying to keep people from loitering as there has been an increase of gang activity in the Orlando area.
I am interested in your opinions on a couple of topics.
First - Do you support Disney in their efforts to control the actions of the visitors at Downtown Disney?
Second - With the Fourth of July coming up, the increase in summer visitors and the current world-wide concern with terrorism, do you think the problems of the past few weeks will result in fewer visitors to the area?
No, I do not think it will be any different than any other holiday weekend at Downtown Disney. I do support all the actions they are trying to take on a string of bad incidents.While I think the ban for life is a little extreme, Disney has a responsiblity to keep that area super safe. The four prospects were just in the area at the wrong time. It sounds a little fishy to me since I would assume it would take very suspicious activity or bad behavior to have the Disney security on you like that. The pipe bomb thing, in my opinion, just sounds like more of a vandalism thing than a terrorist attack. Thanks for the info! I hope Disney and the state of FL can get it under control
Well I agree with Anthony, but I have to say the vandalism has to be kept under control too. I mean just think about it, terrorists can see through vandalism if they would be able to smuggle things in without Disney noticing and they would be able to plot attacks from there, so I think vandalism like that with a pipe bomb should be a top priority thing. The last thing you want is a terrorist attack on a theme park, and especially on the "Happiest Place on Earth." Imagine a bomb going off at Disney and killing hundreds or even just hurting a single person. For one that would bring Disney on a downfall, and also it would be in the center of the news for months and maybe years to come, you don't want that kind of attention.
If there were to be a terrorist attack on disney, it would be the downfall of theme parks as we know them. Disney is held to the highest standard, and sets those standards in the industry. If they fail, its almost as if they whole theme park industry would fail, and you will see visitors flock away from parks for years....for if you arent safe at disney (and this past year has shown me that you are no safer at disney than you are at six flags over ga) where can you be safe at?
I have been to WDW many times. I live in Texas but we make the trip 3-4 times per year spending 1-3 weeks each trip. However I refuse to take my family to Downtown Disney any more. The place is overrun with thugs, gangstas, or wannabees. I have seen Asian, Mexican and Black's flashing gang signs. I do not have the time or interest to try and separate the real gangs from the ones that dress like them so I avoid it altogether. This is a similar problem Disneyland has as well in the Magic Kingdom. I love the 'other world' escape upon entering WDW but Downtown Disney is nothing more than a standard club area. I totally applaud their efforts to do what it takes to help keep me and my family safe from gangs and terrorists.
Question from the Left Coast: Anyone in Orlando care to compare the crowd situation at DD with that at CityWalk? Where do you feel safer and less bothered by other guests?
One thing about Downtown Disney: You don't go through any kind of security to get in, it's more like a regular-type mall. At CityWalk, you have to go through the security line to get in, making it the same as going into any of the parks themselves.
Disney has always had a good reputation and they have some how manged to stay out of the media spot light when undesirable events occur so as long as they can up hold that standard they will not loose visitors.
I remember a short time ago, you had to pay to go into the bar area. Now, anyone has full access, free of charge. This was a bad idea from the beginning and it is no surprise to me that this has drawn the wrong types of people. I have seen girls half-dressed who appeared to be underage and drinking while in this area. This is a very bad thing for Disney to be involved with. It's only a matter of time before something really bad goes down and they close it...
Didn't remember that about CityWalk. I was going to note that at CityWalk, you have to pay for parking, since you use the same lot as the parks. But at Downtown Disney, free lots are available. Here is California, both CityWalk and Downtown Disney have paid garages and lots.
Disney has not been out of the spotlight...they've been in it because of downtown disney. They also still charge to get into Pleasure Island....the clubs anyway, you can walk around outside the clubs.....
Nothing against Citywalk, but didn't they have their share of questionable things as well? As said before, trouble tends to come in areas where there is large social areas (like malls). My question would be is this a problem in CA? I mean, if we are comparing overall safety of areas, DL seems to be in a more questionable area than DD or Citywalk. I could be wrong and this might be a new trend. Its a real shame, DD is really great!
Hey, we did this stuff in California 10 years ago. It just takes that long for trends to get to Florida.... ;-)
There is some really great info about Downtown Disney. I did not know it was so cynical there.
if some kids blew up a garbage can, I would hardly consider that a terrorist act and if it happenned in the park, we would have never heard about it unless we heard it from a guest. Disney is tight lipped about stuff like this and if there was ever a major attempt on a theme park like disney, it wouldn't be a garbage can in a public area...it would be inside the park by/in a major attraction area. This was nothing more than kids being disrespectful and destructive. Oh, and when they say device similar to a pipebomb, that must be code for two m-80's stuck together with duct tape...a vandal and hoodlum favorite.
One thing about City Walk, before you enter, you get screened by security as already said by someone else here. Universal screens people as they leave the parking area to go on the bridge over to City Walk. Also after 6 p.m. it is free parking at Universal as well. So City Walk crowds don't necessarily have to pay unless they get there before 6 o'clock. City Walk does have security on duty during the entire day. They do also bring in local law enforcement to help out all the time, especially after special events, concerts, or just your busy summer day.
I agree that charging for parking would cut down on loitering. However, as a tourist having already paid $10 to park at one of the parks all day, I would resent having to pay more to park at DD, which is just a place to eat for me. In order to drive off loiterers and retain paying customers, I suggest that charge for parking, but a. allow free parking with a parking pass from one of the Disney parks, or b. credit anyone who eats at a restaurant or spends more than a certain amount ($50?) at a shop.
It's been a while since we were last at WDW - 2002. Back then, Downtown Disney seemed safe and we went several evenings, mainly to the World of Disney store for shopping and such. And in every case, the place was packed and we didn't notice any bad elements.
I disagree with Erik that sometype of event at DTD would spell the end for theme parks.
Robert O, by the time someone's *in* a gang, it's too late to get them out without substantial intervention. Living wages are gang *prevention*, though, and the literature on the connection between low entry-level wages and increased crime is substantial and undeniable.
How does Universal screen? I don't remember!
Most people who are in gangs join one before they are 15/16 yrs of age which is the common point where most kids enter the workplace(unless employed by mom/dad). So thee allure of working at McDonalds or the mall will not win out over the easy money made by gang members and the lack of responsability that comes with being a gang member,
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