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Where Will Disney Build Star Wars Land? Here's the Map

August 16, 2015, 9:37 AM · When Disney CEO Bob Iger announced yesterday that Disney would be building Star Wars-themed lands at its Disneyland and Disney's Hollywood Studios theme parks, fans immediately wanted to know: when, and where?

Disney's not yet provided an answer to the "when?" question, beyond Imagineer Scott Trowbridge's warning that it will take "a while." But late last night, Disneyland confirmed the location of its Star Wars Land in a tweet to a fan:

Building Star Wars Land on the site of Big Thunder Ranch makes sense when you go back a look at some of the comments Iger and others made during their presentations yesterday at the D23 Expo in Anaheim. Iger said that the new planet in the Star Wars canon that will provide the home for Star Wars Land was located on the edge of the frontier and that the project would represent the largest land expansion in Disneyland history.


The Disneyland build site places Star Wars on the edge of the park's Frontierland, and — unless you count a petting zoo and an occasional meet and greet as attractions — represents a true expansion of the park into land not now used for attractions.

Star Wars Land Build Site?

The shaded area above, which includes Big Thunder Ranch and the surrounding backstage areas, measures at 14 acres - the size that Iger announced for the land. (*I've updated the map to depict a more compact area for the 14 acres.)

This decision appears to spare Toontown, which some websites had reported definitively would be the site of Star Wars Land. (Others insisted it would consume Tomorrowland.) But the Disneyland Twitter feed last week point-blank denied that Toontown would be the site of Star Wars Land. (*Update: Found the tweet!)

There's an art in public relations to denying something that will happen, but that you haven't yet announced. You want to deny the statement, but not put yourself in the position of having lied once the announcement is made. This is why PR reps say things such as "we have no plans to announce at this time," etc. But Disneyland Today's denial of the Star-Wars-at-Toontown rumor was flat-out.

Now we know why.

Later today, we will look at the possibilities for the build site for Star Wars Land at Disney's Hollywood Studios.

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August 16, 2015 at 9:55 AM · Presumably the thin strip next to Toon Town would be used for one of the e-ticket attractions, which leaves a nicely shaped and spacious size for the majority of the land and the other ride. It doesn't look like if they build up vertically there that they will interfere with the back-drop of other areas, except maybe Tom Sawyer Island.

Are those structures that need demolishing empty, or would they need new facilities built before any works could start? I'm just thinking if they're empty then there's theoretically no reason that construction couldn't start soon.

August 16, 2015 at 10:16 AM · And that really makes the most sense. Leave Tomorrowland intact. To do otherwise would contradict a major aspect of the park. I hoe that is where they indeed place it.
August 16, 2015 at 10:41 AM · This answered the where question which I think is more important than the when at this point.

I wonder how Star Tours in Tomorrowland will be connected to the new star wars land on the other side of the park.

My guess for realistic possible opening date judging from past recent Disney projects: June 2019

August 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM · Hmmm, sorry Robert, I disagree. That was not what I'd call a flat-out-denial.

As you say, this is marketing speech by omision. Had the question been will Star Wars overtake Toon Town and the answer been "no", that would have been an actual denial.

If Toon Town was staying someone would have come forward and said so already. No marketing speech, just "Toon Town will not be removed with Disneyland for the new Star Wars addition". There is no point in them skirting around the issue if it is staying... there is every reason to skirt around the issue if it is leaving (as they are doing).

August 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM · I think it's awesome that we are finally getting the Star Wars Land most people want. However...

Robert, I wonder if you could comment or reference any inside information that points to any Marvel Land or other development at California Adventure that will drive traffic to it and away from Disneyland Park. While DCA has been improved vastly in the past several years, it still lags fairly significantly behind Disneyland Park in crowd control and attendance. I find it potentially foolish, irresponsible or at least significantly problematic that they are going to build only something that will drive even more bodies into Disneyland Park.

In other words, is there any chance that we will get a significant addition (such as a Marvel Land) to DCA before or by the time Star Wars Land is completed at the other park?

August 16, 2015 at 11:21 AM · Glad that Disney is keeping Toontown.

I sincerely hope that Star Wars and Avatar Lands live up to all the hype.

If Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is the new standard for e-ticket rides, there is going to be a lot of upset fans.

August 16, 2015 at 11:22 AM · Please note this is a follow up tweet... I think you are jumping the gun.


.@DisneylandToday Will Mickey's Toontown close in the future to make space for #StarWarsLand?
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August 16, 2015 at 11:57 AM · There's a an old fashioned train that runs through that area... I wonder how they work that out
August 16, 2015 at 12:39 PM · Great decision to have Star Wars Land replace Big Thunder Ranch. I always say BTR has a large piece of land just waiting to be turned into a major attraction. However, I do feel like it will be weird to have a Star Wars Land right next to Big Thunder Mountain. I feel like removing Autopia would have made more sense.
August 16, 2015 at 12:49 PM · Tomorrowland needs a plan. They need to solve the fireworks closure problem. Toontown regularly gets closed at night. Tom Sawyer Island seems underutilized.
August 16, 2015 at 1:05 PM · I was wondering why they announced all these expansion at the same time? At least Universal puts up walls and doesn't post a word until months into a project. How many people will put off vacations to wait for the new lands?

I know we did when WWOHP was being built. We skipped this year since we got to be there right after Diagon Alley opened last year and spent a lot of time exploring. We decided next year would be better for Kong and now the Hulk upgrade.

Construction is both good... and bad. This being said, I am looking forward to seeing Disney pull out the big guns. With these announcements, the whole theme park fanboy base is talking and Orlando will benefit greatly.

August 16, 2015 at 1:12 PM · This just makes no sense at all, thematically speaking. Ride Star Tours in Tomorrowland, then go through either the fairy tale world of Fantasyland or traipse through the old west of Frontierland to get back into outer space? It's just a very odd choice of location, unless they plan on moving Star Tours entirely.

Not that I'd be that thrilled to see Autopia and the Submarine Voyage go away, but using that big chunk of real estate would have made a lot more sense.

August 16, 2015 at 1:16 PM · But where will it be at DHS? I fear this announcement all but confirms the demise of the Indiana Jones show.
August 16, 2015 at 1:24 PM · The Frontierland river takes up such a large area for basically 3 slow moving rides, I remember plans a while ago for Discovery Bay which would have closed the upper part of the river and docked the Mark Twain and made it a restaurant.

My suggestion is to shorten the river by cutting into Tom Sawyer Island and moving the Indian Village. Then you would have room to work with.

Also Episode 7 better be a blockbuster to justify the new planet as the Star Wars land, I thought Tatooine would be better, because it would blend next to the desert mountain of Big Thunder.

August 16, 2015 at 2:07 PM · "It's just a very odd choice of location, unless they plan on moving that space entirely."

I'm hoping they move Star Tours so that they could put in a...different attraction. (Queue Black Sabbath)

August 16, 2015 at 2:11 PM · There could be a hidden two part project with the new Star Wars land in Disneyland. If they move Star Tours to the new land it can open up the possibility of bringing the New Iron Man attraction Japan is getting in its place. They did mention that it was a simulator ride similar to Star Tours.
August 16, 2015 at 3:17 PM · Kenny, I completely agree. And Tomorrowland is definitely in desperate need of some sort of thematic overhaul, especially after they messed it up in 1998, and I'm shocked they haven't done much to resolve that thematic eyesore! And it seems really weird to have two sci-fi themed lands with Fantasyland squished in between the two.

However, I also do commend the idea of getting rid of Big Thunder Ranch, as no one really goes to it and is a major waste of Space. Tony Baxter proposed a "Discoveryland" themed land themed to Jules Verne back in 1976, only for the ideas to move to Tokyo Disney Sea 25 years later. A Star Wars land there would also really help foot traffic and provide another entrance to Toontown from the park's west side, as you can only get to Toontown by walking past "it's a small world" in Fantasyland. It is so exciting for the park to finally get a major new attraction on a grand scale since Indiana Jones, which was already 20 years ago!!!!

Robert, is it also true that there's room behind Space Mountain where Disney once proposed a "Hollywoodland" in the late 80's? I almost feel like that would make more sense thematically. And I also wonder the fate of the current Star Tours that they recently updated, plus all the new Star Wars themed attractions coming to Tomorrowland once they open Star Wars land.

August 16, 2015 at 3:39 PM · This is awesome news. The best location for Star Wars land would be in the strawberry field kitty corner from California Adventure. That way they could build a platform in Disneyland and transport guests to a "galaxy far far away" that is physically across the street. You could transport guests at light speed to the new land. That way there is an easy themed transportation system to the Star Wars Land. Eventually a Marvel land, pixar land, avatar etc. land could be built in the strawberry field location and a third gate could be created.
The news of the location being behind thunder mountain railroad is the second best possible location. I am way excited. That means they don't have to destroy tomorrowland or Toontown. STOP complaining about how Star Wars land doesn't match thematically to it's bordering lands. Name me one land in any theme park that matches perfectly to the next land! Just shut up about it. Did you want Disney to blow up Tomorrowland, Toontown, and Fantasyland just to make the transition between lands work better? Tomorrowland and Fantasyland are Disneyland staples. They are arguably the most iconic lands in any theme park. They should move Star Tours away from tomorrowland and beef it up later. Shut up about the theming clashes and just be happy that they are not bulldozing Splash Mountain, Pirates, or Space Mountain to the ground to make Star Wars land. The location announcement is wonderful news.
August 16, 2015 at 4:45 PM · I think it's stupid to limit Star Wars to a single land when they have enough material for at least one park. I'd like to see them use the strawberry field, or perhaps partner with Garden Grove - They have plans to build a theme park, and have land set aside to do so. Half for Star Wars, the other half for Marvel.
August 16, 2015 at 4:47 PM · No mention of Indiana Jones. Disney now has the rights, so will there be more attractions based on the movies? Could Big Thunder Mountain get a major overhaul as a Temple of Doom ride?
August 16, 2015 at 5:23 PM · RIP Big Thunder Mountain Ranch Barbecue :(
August 16, 2015 at 5:44 PM · At risk of being a curmudgeon, when--if ever --will they renovate some of the old rides (Jungle River Cruise, Fantasyland rides, etc.) that haven't been updated since they were built 60 years ago, & positively creak in comparison to "newer" rides only, 20-30 years old, like Haunted Mansion, Pirates, & Indiana Jones.
August 16, 2015 at 7:22 PM · Great news. Everybody always mentioned ToonTown and Tomorrowland as places to destroy to make room for Star Wars. All the while I was saying that they should build on the Big Thunder Mountain Ranch Barbeque, the northern half of Tom Sawyer Island, and the administrative buildings out there. Glad to see they are taking my advice except for the Tom Sawyer Island part. I would be okay with future Star Wars land expansions into Toontown and Tom Sawyer Island. I just think you have to keep Tomorrowland intact and I am happy that they are doing that and are not closing down many existing rides.
August 16, 2015 at 7:34 PM · Referring Tommorrowland into the Stsr Wars Areaskes more sense. Move the Buzz light year ride to toon town .
Refers the Matterhorn into a Plsnet Hoth ice sled ride turn the yeti into the ice monster. Ditch the former carousel of progress building and captain Eo theatre . Ditch the a utopia. Move submarines to toon town. Ales much more sense to add to the Tomorrowland that exists then plop it down in big thunder ranch
August 16, 2015 at 8:17 PM · I've only been to Disneyland once, and it was quite a few years back, so I don't know the ins and outs of the park as far as theming goes. However, I am really excited about this for the simple fact that it EXPANDS the park's footprint. This is one of those expansions that actually makes the park larger, so I think it's a great idea!

With that said, I know some of the newly acquired land that will house the parking garage will also be a new location for backstage housing, and I imagine all of this will be built before the buildings that will become Star Wars Land are demolished - I mean, all that stuff needs a place to go!

So I think it will be a few years before any of this happens...if my previous paragraph made any sense.

I'm not a fan of having exact replicas across multiple parks, so perhaps a delay in building Star Wars Land in Disneyland will allow them to open the version in Florida, and consider ways to differentiate it.

I imagine they'd love to give park-goers and Star Wars Nuts to have a legitimate reason to visit both coasts.

But yeah, I think they need to first build the new backstage area in the newly acquired land before they can clear the room near Big Thunder Ranch, and I don't know the timeframe of that, but I wouldn't expect SWL to open before 2020. At least not in Anaheim.

August 16, 2015 at 10:31 PM · Really glad to see that Toontown is staying. It could be a great land if Disney would pay some attention to it with upgrades and refurbs. Plus the park needs more capacity, not less. I'll be sad to see Big Thunder Ranch go, but the upside to a Star Wars Land mitigates that loss. I imagine the long term thinking is make Tomorrowland into a kind of Marvel land, I would be surprised to see Star Tours become the Iron Man attraction going into Hong Kong DL. The problem with all these goodies going into DL is that DCA is going to be empty again.
August 17, 2015 at 2:53 AM · Grant Crawford, it's my understanding that Disney purchased some land across the street from the park and they will move the operations you see in those buildings in the photo into new buildings there. A tunnel will be built underneath the street to connect the new sites to the park. Note this isn't 100 confirmed, just what some people said.

I agree demolishing Tomorrow Land would be a massive tragedy and mistake that would result in a huge backlash. We're talking about a land that's been there since DAY 1 and that Mr. Walt Disney himself personally helped create. Fortunately it appears they have enough common sense to leave it alone and build on the rather worthless Thunder Ranch site instead.

Tomorrow Land is in dire need of some major renovations soon here though. It's hardly "futuristic" these days... There's so much they could do to it to bring it new life.

August 17, 2015 at 2:56 AM · I just thought about something else that I haven't seen brought up yet... Are they going to move Star Tours over to the new land. It seems kind of silly that it will still be over in Tomorrowland. The new Star Wars land is obviously where it needs to be now.
August 17, 2015 at 8:39 AM · I was also trying to wrap my head around how big 14 acres is myself. According to Wikipedia (Here's your grain of salt...) Cars Land at DCA is 12 acres in size. That helps put the scope of the new Star Wars land into clearer perspective for me.
August 17, 2015 at 9:20 AM · 71.90.175.227 - Thanks for that. It seems like it will be a while before Star Wars land makes its way to the West Coast

As for Tomorrowland - I think one problem facing a land which is to look to the future for its inspiration is that the future is always dependant on the present. The rate of change in technology is exponentially increasing making it more and more difficult to have a futuristic land that isn't rendered obsolete by changes in the present.

Should the whole idea be abandoned? Possibly. What could be done is instead of looking at the future changes in technology, maybe take a page from the book of Star Trek and look at the societal changes. Imagine there's no countries, and no religion too. A lot of the current attractions are replaceable (Autopia, Captain EO, Nemo, Innoventions), Space Mountain fits this scenario, the only difficulty would be Star Tours and Buzz Lightyear.

If the Tomorrowland concept as it currently (very loosely) is were abandoned you could revamp the area as a pure Sci-fi theme and easily redevelop some of those replaceable attractions.

August 17, 2015 at 11:19 AM · I think Disney should put one of the new attractions in the Innoventions building and ( try in your heart to not get mad) push Autopia's station more over towards Matterhorn cut the track to go around the jungle area by small world and turn the former Autopia's land into Star Wars Land. Or do the simple thing, get rid of Autopia and BAM way better land and gone with Autopia
August 17, 2015 at 12:25 PM · In my opinion, Star Tours and Buzz Lightyear should be relocated to Star Wars Land and DCA. Tomorrowland should renvision its concept. I wonder if they could change it to the Tomorrowland... That Never Was and accept that it won't ever capture the future. Should it remain positive or can it have dystopian aspects? It could be overtly positive, but then dominated by an all seeing eye.
August 17, 2015 at 12:29 PM · Kind of a bummer that they're adding an entirely new "Land," particular when Star Wars is a "futuristic" movie that would fit within Tomorrowland. It disrupts the master plan of the park--Star Wars land will be the only land built on IP, rather than on a overarching concept--and, frankly, cheapens the park's concept. Before it was about ideals, now it's about IP.

I get it that Disney needs to match Universal, and I'm happy that they're building, I just wish they had thought more about how to integrate Star Wars into Walt's concept for the park.

As for putting Star Wars Land behind Thunder Mountain, that makes no sense at all. Of course the two "future" themed areas should be contiguous.

What will be left of my beloved Tomorrowland? They'll surely move Star Tours to the new area, so we'll be left with what? Space Mountain, Autotopia (the gas-powered cars of the future), the Dumbo rip-off rockets and the Not-Quite-TS-Mania Buzz Lightyear shoot-em-up? Not very futuristic or enticing.

August 17, 2015 at 12:57 PM · I may think differently about this in the end, when it's all built and done, but I currently think that using that space out back is so far out of the thematic flow that it will destroy the Disneyland experience as Most Guests know it now. I really have preferred if they had changed Tommorowland into "Tommorowland Worlds of Star Wars" or something similar and formally re-themened Space Mountain to Star Wars, put a new attraction in the space that now houses the carousel Theater AKA innovention. And Ripped out Autopia and used some of that space. Then fill in the motorboat cruise water and added Mini-Autopia to Fantasyland and re-themed the Nemo subs to the Naboo adventure. I can't imagine the thematic transition to be made either from Fantasyland or BTRR area. It will be Jarring either way I can envision it.
August 17, 2015 at 1:53 PM · 1) "According to a master plan filed with the city, Disney has 3,000,000 square feet of space for California Adventure, but has only used 900,000 (30%). Disneyland has 900,000 square feet unused." So...another park the size of DCA could fit into Disneyland.

2) The strawberry fields do not connect to the park (yet). Disney would need to buy more property in the Harbor triangle. I believe Disney is waiting for the Angels to leave town by 2019, and then leasing and developing that real estate for back of house and parking. Add a rail fee to that parking lot, and a streetcar system pays for itself.

3) If you remove the Toy Story parking, where do the cars go? Do you build a giant parking garage west of Disneyland Drive? Bus people from Angels Stadium?

4) The smart thing to do: Demolish Autopia (yeah, it's an original ride, but what's it got to do with the future?), it's duplicated by the much-more popular Cars Land. Untangle the monorail track. Dig a 10-storey basement for rides and back of house. Maybe a few rides above ground. Move Buzz over to the other Pixar attractions in California Adventure. Demolish Innoventions or gut the insides and turn it into a SHIELD labs ride similar to Star Tours or the new Hong Kong Iron Man ride. Move or replace Star Tours to the park "far far away". Keep Space Mountain. Fill the rest of that space with Marvel-themed attractions, which do fit in with the futuristic themes.

5) Since Star Wars has a "frontier" theme, it does fit thematically into that section of the park. I wouldn't be surprised if Tom Sawyer gets replaced. That section of Disney IP (historical fiction) is rather weak, and mostly based on characters licensed from other sources (Dr. Syn, Zorro, Tarzan). It's also fantasy, so can overlap there, as well.

Personally, does Disneyland even use those regional names anymore? It worked when the park opened, creating the "theme park". But now? When it's IP and not themes which are king, it becomes a hinderance. It's better to replace them with franchise areas (Cars Land, Star Wars, Toontown, Pixar, Marvel).

August 17, 2015 at 3:22 PM · I hope they relocate Big Thunder Ranch BBQ somewhere. That is one of the best places to eat at Disneyland. I am not sure how much I really care about Star Wars land. I guess I will have to wait and see. I hope they take this opportunity to include some more thrill rides. I don't think they have any superb thrill rides at any of their parks.
August 17, 2015 at 3:50 PM · The problem with this "plan" is that half the area in blue it's is is closed when the fireworks are launched. You think they would move the fireworks or close a brand new lands for a few hours each night... Don't think so. Tomorrowland into Autotopia, Innoventions, and Submarine ride makes much more sense. Like everyone says, it is in need of a makeover.
August 17, 2015 at 5:43 PM · Does anyone remeber WDW saying that "Mickey and Minnie's ToonTown homes will be relocated to another area of the resort" when they were taking out that ToonTown. And we believe them now because......?
August 17, 2015 at 8:16 PM · They need to get RID OF ToonTown. That's where they should build it. I really enjoy the all you can eat BBQ at Thunder Ranch
August 18, 2015 at 8:39 AM · Tomorrowland doesn't need to be revamped. It is being subsumed into a temporary Star Wars Land with three Star Wars attractions plus Jedi Academy. Sure, of course it is Sci-Fi Land. Why do you need to call it that? Tomorrowland by definition is already that. It seems like many Disney fans want to fix the flawed Tomorrowland concept with a more apt name. That's the problem. Tomorrowland is no more problematic than any other name. All names evolve. Sci-Fi Land will evolve too. It's always about chasing a tail that will never be caught.

What's up with moving attractions around? If you do that, Marvel will never go to DCA. Tomorrowland needs an update, but it doesn't need to swap anything around. If it doesn't work in Tomorrowland, it won't work anywhere else. That being said, they must remove the PeopleMover tracks so better décor can take its place. Plus, they should consider putting in Tron all over Tomorrowland and mostly on top of Autopia and winding around the Monorail tracks. They should also add a canopy at Tomorrowland's entrance like what you see in Shanghai Disneyland.

August 18, 2015 at 3:44 PM · Maybe they should borrow an idea from Back to the Future. Turn Tomorrowland into an empty lot and place a broken time clock there set to 1954. It's as if Disney has yet to break ground in the new land of Tomorrow.
August 18, 2015 at 11:40 PM · Star Tours should be knocked out and turned into the entrance of the new land. There's plenty of backstage available behind Space Mountain and beyond the berm. Demolish the Carousel Hotel and move hotel trams there. Tons of space for Star Wars, neighbor to Tomorrowland, shared entrance off the Hub, no strange space land just beyond Casey Jr., and no fireworks fallout.

Benefit to Big Thunder site is ease of construction only. There is no benefit to the Disneyland story nor to Disneyland guests in the long run.

August 19, 2015 at 10:04 AM · I like the comments people have posted. I'm a long time disneyland nerd and here is my 2 cents.

Thunder Ranch, although convenient is a horrible location. Star tours across the park from star wars land? Dumb. Tomorrowland itself needs revamped. Say by to autopia. Those slow old cars should be in frontierland. kidding, they shouldnt be anywhere. They take up too much room. They could use that area, plus the old boat ride area by the matterhorn. Get rid of innoventions, that place will never keep up with the latest tech so its a waste. Either bring the people mover back, or make a tron themed ride. Not a fan of buzz light year, but it has a good flow for long lines so I get it.

If it was possible, Id love to see them remake the skyride from tomorrowland to fantasyland. I miss that ride so much. Riding on that in the evening as a kid while all the amazing lights turned on, with a birds eye view was amazing.


August 19, 2015 at 1:32 PM · I wouldn't be surprises if tune town is moves or revamped in some sort of, to be honest its kinda sad that state that area of the park is in. so many things broken or removed , its become rather stale in the past few years. because of the location of space mountain makes it hard but maybe it can stay there as its really the only "tomorrow thing there, but could imagine them moving toontown or rebuilding it where star tours is and then star tours gets revamped and added to the new starters area shown on the map and then maybe finally do something with the people mover and make it go from space mountain to star wars land with speeder like cars instead of the ill fated steampunk thing they tried. thats been sitting there doing nothing forever.
August 19, 2015 at 2:29 PM · When will Captain EO reopen?
August 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM · That area shown is still too large. That is roughly 17 acres. If you take out the top building, (which might house the parade vehicles) then you are left with 14 acres.
August 19, 2015 at 6:10 PM · TOONTOWN IS TINY!!!!!!!!! I worked at the park for years. Toontown DOES serve a VERY specific purpose. The complaint about Toontown was always how tiny it was and not very much to do. To TINY KIDS? It's HUGE. And YES, it IS tiny, so why do people think they can build an entire Star Wars land there?? Also, the main admin building for the resort (Team Anaheim) is connected to Toontown, they won't tear that down. They can easily tear down the storage units and decades-old warehouses north of Big Thunder Ranch and I believe they will. I DO believe Tomorrowland is DISGUSTINGLY lame (I worked there when the '98 "revamp" disaster happened and it's just embarrassing and a friend of mine at the studio told me a YEAR ago about designs for a Marvel "park" near DCA and changing Tomorrowland into Star Wars land. SO MUCH GOSSIP WITH SO MUCH PROOF ON BOTH SIDES, I LOVE IT!!!! And I LOVE how passionate people are about Disneyland!
August 19, 2015 at 6:44 PM · Star Tours is technically from a long time ago in a Galaxy far, far away which is NOT Tomorrow. It's from the past!
August 21, 2015 at 6:36 PM · Hmmm...that means Star Wars Land will have a steam locomotive going right thru it! Wonder how imagineering is going to put a story behind that!

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