Robert Niles Reviews California Adventure's Tower of Terror

Disneyland: It's a good ride, but 10 years after its initial release, shouldn't it be even better than the original?

From Robert Niles
Posted May 5, 2004 at 1:02 AM

From Coaster Enthusiast
Posted May 5, 2004 at 9:17 AM
So sad the ride is a 'shortened' version of WDW's. With all the hoopla and added costs, one would have thought there be more to the story at DCA. I also thought there where to be several scenarios of the original story. As I had been planning a trip to LA next season, I may postpone that adventure a couple more years when CA parks offer something an East-coaster can see which is new.

The cloning of Orlando has got to stop (i.e. Tower of Terror, Mummy ... etc.) if the parks want a higher attendance. I've been to CA a few times, the sights do not change, but amusement attractions can add a world of difference.

BTW - Robert, your story was very insightful and has lent a hand in my decision for next season's adventures.

From Jason Moore
Posted May 5, 2004 at 10:11 AM
I'm not really a fan of TOT myself. I'm not a heights and drops kinda guy. In fact, it's the only ride I've ever ridden that actually made me queezy and ill feeling. All that aside though, I still had to ride it at least once (Fl version I'm talking about) for the sake of admiring the theming and the story and everything else that makes this ride great. It would probably be one of my favorite rides if it weren't for that dang drop at the end.

What gets me about this new version is the complete disregard for the rules of sequel. I have no problem at all with them building a new version of this concept for the west coast. Money making hits get follow ups on an almost daily basis. The problem here is that with a sequel everything is supposed to be bigger, better, more exciting. Instead they have given us what sounds like the readers digest version.

This is yet another example of clueless management reigning supreme. If you want a blockbuster, park saving ride experience, you have to invest the proper effort into it. I don't they they pulled it off, but I guess we'll have to wait and see the response from the general public who may not be as well informed as those of us who follow this news everyday.

From Ben Mills
Posted May 5, 2004 at 12:18 PM
I'm surprised that no-one has yet made the comparison to Disney's movie sequels. Its a perfect match, don'tya think?

From Mr. D. T.
Posted May 5, 2004 at 8:46 PM
I read in another sneek peek review that this ride starred Mickey Mouse and Heimlich from A Bugs Life. They probably changed it a bit since.

So this is a shortened version of the ride. Big deal, MK did the same thing with POTC. And I admire the old-fashioned charm on THAT ride.

From Robert Niles
Posted May 5, 2004 at 9:08 PM
Okay, but what if Disney World had the guts to say no to the marketing folks who wanted to immediately satisfy demand for a PotC and held out for Western River Adventure? Or something even better? Wouldn't have fans enjoyed that just as much, if not more, than the butchered version of Pirates which runs in Orlando?

From Kevin Baxter
Posted May 6, 2004 at 12:26 AM
I don't buy the whole PotC being fine in Orlando. That version really sucks and people who visit Florida should be mad they got their version later but a far worse one. If you are going to clone something, which I am not fond of, then you need to make it better, not worse!

Glad the whole story of ToT was brought up, because that is the one thing that always bothered me about it. Part of Spider-Man's ascension to Best Ride in the World status has a lot to do with it actually telling a complete story. ToT is all first act. In fact, it's the first act TWICE. We see a video about those tourists, then we head up and see those people AGAIN. Then we drop. Huh? People scoff at how many rides have Until Something Goes Wrong moments, but they are effective.

Maybe if we didn't get all the setup and this was treated just like a regular elevator ride. Like we are headed up to the penthouse for a wild party (which could be seen atop the hotel) and then Rod Serling stops you on the way up and gives you some spiel about how your elevator has somehow entered the fifth dimension and good luck getting out. Then maybe the elevator could do a few drops and stop on another floor, which would look normal but could dissolve into the fifth dimension (the dissolving scene). Then a few more drops. Then up to the penthouse finally, where the host or hostess takes one look at the carload and suggests everyone look a little more presentable if they expect to participate. Then the elevator could return slowly to the strains of the TZ theme.

Not the greatest, but at least it is complete. I'm really tired of how muddled the scripts are for so many Disney rides lately.

From Mr. D. T.
Posted May 6, 2004 at 8:44 PM
I understand the Orlando POTC was cut in half, but this is the only POTC I've been on, so I can't give you opinions about the California one. I did hear that it has TWO drops, which does make it better.

As for TOT, the mentioned above info would make a perfect storyline, but it would probably lengthen the duration of the ride as well as the wait time. :D

From Kevin Baxter
Posted May 7, 2004 at 12:09 AM
That does pose problems. My original idea was to have the library video happen on the first floor, something else (which happened to be exactly as long as the library video) occur on the second floor and another thing on a third floor. Then the car could move into the drop shaft and do its drop sequence. I guess my story idea could still work, but it would have to be wrapped up right before the unload station.

I think the biggest problem Disney has with its preshows is that people don't view them as part of the ride. If the library video was part of the ride itself, instead of before yet another line, people wouldn't think the ride is so short. Disney seriously needs to rethink the way they are using preshows.

From Themepark Guy
Posted May 7, 2004 at 7:24 AM
I remember when I rode the first generation of freefall ride as an operations supervisor- the electrician next to me passed out-pretty funny actually.....That ride was down more than it was up.

From Philip Curds
Posted May 7, 2004 at 9:26 AM
Interesting analysis Richard. Although, I fear your references to the Ambassador Hotel leaves your international audience slightly unsure of what you mean. At least, this clone/copy is a decent attraction, recent Disney clones have been weak, anyone enjoy Muppets 4D for the second time? Not me.

From Robert Niles
Posted May 7, 2004 at 9:57 AM
Here's a short history of the Ambassador, though it is about six years out of date. Trump no longer owns the site; the L.A. school board controls it and wants to destroy the hotel to build a school.

From Coaster Enthusiast
Posted May 8, 2004 at 12:33 PM
Party in the penthouse?

The door opens and the party is going strong. But, ... there's something not quite right 'bout the guests in attendence. The host (or, hostess) pokes his/her moldy, rotting, worm filled head at the elevator: "Oh, you're not ready for *this* party. All my guests are DEAD!! Bwa-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaaaa ...."
... as the elevator p l u m m e t s !!!!!

From Kevin Baxter
Posted May 8, 2004 at 11:58 PM
It's a dead man's party.
Who could ask for more?
Everybody's coming,
leave your body at the door!
Leave your body and soul at the door!

From Andrew Rothman
Posted May 10, 2004 at 12:38 AM
Now, I may be biased being an opening crew cast member on TOT, but from the response that I have received from the so many guests that I have dispatched and interacted with in the Tower I would have to say it has been a huge hit so far.

Yesterday (The first Saturday after the grand opening May 8th, 2004) we had a very long line that ended up being about two and a half hours at park closing. Now I know this is not THAT long of a wait time, but the summer season has yet to hit the resort and I'm certain that time will be doubled.

Our Fastpasses have been selling out every single day we have been in operation (and distributing fastpass) sometimes within two hours, on slow days within six hours.

If you were to take a birds eye view of the park during the day you would notice that most everywhere else in the park it is deserted compared to the Hollywood District... mainly all traffic from TOT. For instance, the other day I was listening to a cast member who had been playing in the park tell everyone that all of the other large attractions in the park had between a five and fifteen minute wait time, while TOT was keeping a steady hour or so wait time.

From all of this, I can safely conclude that TOT is doing what everyone way way above me hoped it would do. There's no telling what kind of a drop in attendence there will be once the summer season is over, but for the time being it has been THE thing to go on while visiting the resort.

Now, for my opinion of the ride (or attraction, whatever): I did not start getting used to it until about ride thirty or so. The first two times riding it my arms were sore from being clenched in my lap. I was so anxious to ride it and to be apart of it being that I worked in the Animation building, directly outside of the TOT's gates. Seeing it being built from the foundation up and then being part of the opening crew has been a real treat and it is my number one attraction that I prefer to work and ride.

But then again, this is all my biased opinion since I work it =P

From Jason Moore
Posted May 10, 2004 at 10:16 AM
if anything, i would think that the above comments merely point out what we all already knew, there is nothing else in this park worth doing. Success would mean that these crowds were spread out over several attractions, not that everyone in the park was simply there for this one new attrcation.

From Nathan Caban
Posted May 10, 2004 at 11:39 AM
Exactly Jason.
The idea that all disney parks to be clones of each other has to be considered. If a ride is to be cloned, at the very least it should be an improvement over the original, not an inferior simulation. Sure, the ride mechanisms can be similar but how hard is it to come up with a new story? After all, a rollercoaster, is a rollercoaster, a free fall is basically a free fall anywhere you go. Few people go to a theme park just once. So to keep it fresh, it should be unique and different. You dont go to a park for another been-there-done-that experience. With the exception of Soaring over California, CA Adventure suffers from exactly that.
The addition of TOT(2) is a minor improvement for CA.Adv, but, nothing I've hear or seen tells me that the TOT2 experience will be any different or better than TOT1.
What you're probably seeing is alot of first timers and park enthusiast (pass holders) just overjoyed that there is a new, if recycled attraction.

From Kevin Baxter
Posted May 11, 2004 at 1:13 AM
Andrew, the reason for ToT was not so all the locals would go and stand in line. The reason for the ride was to encourage tourists to actually visit the park and not go home thinking it sucked. Is ToT making people all of a sudden love the park, like they do Disneyland? I seriously doubt it, so it isn't doing what it was expected to do, which was save the entire sorry park.

Longer lines aren't going to make things better. They'll only make things worse. If people have to wait 4 hours to get on one of two decent rides in the park, then they aren't going to be very happy, are they? And seeing other parts of the park be deserted all day isn't good for the park either. Those sections have to be manned, and if no one is visiting those attractions, then Disney is wasting money. That definitely won't be making Disney execs happy.

Disney needs to start weeding out the APs. And I say this being an AP myself. I would immediately stop selling the SoCal APs and increase the prices of the Deluxe APs to about 200 bucks. With, we'll say 720,000 APs just to make the math easy, 60K APs would come due in June. Same with July and August. Getting rid of the SoCal and raising the price could get rid of at least 100K APs over the summer. This would mean somewhat shorter lines at ToT, meaning actual tourists - the only ones Disney makes money from - might not get pissed off and might return in the future. That's far more important than APs. And if too many APs don't return, they could always restructure the program. But until ToT stops being such a focus - which might not happen until the park opens another really good E-Ticket - the SoCal Passes need to disappear.

From Robert Niles
Posted May 11, 2004 at 10:05 AM
No matter how lousy the attraction -- and this ToT is *far* from lousy -- an energetic cast member can make that attraction enjoyable entertainment.

One of the reason I hate reviewing attractions during press events is that you don't get the "normal" cast member interaction that a guest would get. (As a journalist, you typically get a *worse* experience, as cast members stop "performing" and start simply conversing. It is informative, and the CMs are almost always professional and courteous. But it is just not the same experience as visiting as a guest.)

I've been on ToT in Orlando with some outstanding cast members who have made the experience of visiting that attraction far, far more entertaining that it would be with a CM going through the motions to do a bare-minimum job.

So, please CMs, ignore what we say about the design and concept of your attractions and bring your best performance every single time. Yeah, I know the pay is lousy and you don't always get the respect you deserve from your managers and your company. (And that's true for all theme parks and all theme park companies, by the way.) But your performance will help delight the people who visit your attraction. And they'll love you for it. Even if too few of them ever make their way to City Hall to commend you.

Developing the habit of bringing your best every day will serve you well throughout your career, even as it takes you away from theme parks. And helping or entertaining people always comes back to your benefit -- somehow, someday.

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