Should they make a coaster with loops in the magic kingdom
Walt Disney World: I think yes!
They need to make one so people have an alternative it should bring more thrill seekers to the park
But thrill seekers don't spend nearly as much money as families.
DCA has a launched coaster with a loop. Nice smooth coaster with some thrills.... Pretty tame really. It was built to attract the thrill seeker crowd.... and the park opened with a giant thud. Even ToT didn't up the attendance of the park that much.
Leave the thrills to SF, CF and Universal.
but disney would make an awesome place for a loop coaster or more intense like the rockin rc
The problem with big coasters is that they look like big coasters.
Disney likes to not look like Six Flags..... though they really messed that up with DCA's CA Screamin.
They like to make coasters that look like mountains (Matterhorn, Everest, Thunder Mts) or that are inside (Space, RnRC). That greatly limits height, speed, thrills, etc.
No, I think Disney should stick to doing what it does, and leave the coaster-themed-coasters to those that can't afford better.
DCA's CAS is a wondreful ride and is not as intense as Rockin Roller Coaster but, it is true that CA Screain' Does look big and scary to people who have never riden it before.
The Magic Kingdom is kiddie land of Disney. Maybe at Epcot but the magic kingdom attracts people so they will try to keep it that way.
I don't think the problem with CA Scremin' is that it looks scary. I think the problem is that it looks like a coaster themed to be a coaster. In short, it looks like Six Flags.
Disneyland Resort makes more revenue than all 30 Six Flags parks combined. Why? 'Cause they are way better!!!!!!
And they are better because most of their coasters (CA Screamin' being the exception) don't look like coasters.
Coasters are about a cheap thrill of riding the biggest and baddest. And as soon as someone builds a bigger or badder, then the thrill is gone. Disney's rides are about something better then the cheap thrill of bigger and badder. They are about setting, story, family fun. As such, do not lose their appeal as soon as something bigger and badder is built.
This is why Disney draws more people than anyone else, and this is why they make more money than anyone else.
To try to do what Six Flags does by building coasters that look like coasters, is in my opinion the wrong thing. It was wrong when they tried it at DCA, and it would be wrong to try it at MK.
Cheap thrills....figured a disney person would throw that around. DCA opened to a big thud because the park is poorly laid out. There is really bad themeing and they tried to make a mountain (literally) out of a wolf hill. Who in California wants to go to a park in California to see things themed about, California when they have the same things in, California? Its like me going to Gatorland. I live in Florida, I see Gators all the time, I dont want to go somewhere to see it. True its designed to bring in tourists, but the fact still remains that while the disney california is there and nice, the real one is out there and real and nice and free. So dont go blaming things like TOT and Screamin on being cheap thrills. I would guarantee you that if you opened Screamin in the Magic Kingdom it would be a huge success, why? Because the park is well established, and any additions to it are welcomed. Lets look at Universal, since it was brought up. IOA opened to huge success....and its all cheap thrills, as you say. Yet it is themed waaaaaaay better than most of disney's best themed attractions. I think if you do a coaster in a park like disney you have to theme it to the hilt. Look at RRC....it loops, and its ALWAYS packed, and it even had a child die on it. And we're not talking Disneyland, we're talking magic kingdom. I personally dont see a place to put a good old fashioned coaster, but I still stand by the fact that just a plain old looping coaster that is themed to look like a wooden coaster will do well in MK.
If WDW does decide to put in a 'real' coaster at all, they would put it in MGM Studios. The MK is all about family stuff with probably the most extreme ride there being Space Mountain. At least 75% of the visitors in one day going to MK are families with children. Why would they put and thrill ride in MK when it already reaches capacity more often than any of the other parks. Also, MGM Studios already has TOT, RRC, and I believe Mission Space (I could be wrong and I'm sorry if I am). MGM is already established as the thrill park of the 4 that WDW has.
Mission Space is at EPCOT. They dont need to, but thats not the argument. The argument is will it work? Sure it will. Will the lines go empty? Of course not, why? Because you cant even go to the bathroom without waiting in line at MK. Again, just because the name brand says "family" doesnt mean they cant do other things.
Disney will never put in a real coaster. They would rather appease the kids, because that's who comes, the kids and their money spending parents. They would rather spend their money building attractions that appease their fan base...just like Cedar Point builds coasters and thrill rides, Disney builds mild, highly themed attractions because thats what people come for. Besides that, I'm not sure if Disney even knows how to build one anyway. Height restrictions and their tendency to stay on the mild side will prevent them from doing a coaster.
"Cheap thrills....figured a disney person would throw that around."
I'm not a "Disney person" whatever that is. I go to all kinds of parks here in the west. I did a week long vacation to Texas just to do the Six Flags and Sea World parks there. I go to Magic Mountain and ride every ride in the park.
I love big, fast coasters..... I just realize they are economically, a losing proposition long-term.
Coaster are "cheap thrills" becasue they are cheap compared to highly themed rides like Disney does, and they are about thrills rather than story or theme.....
Six Flags spent, what, $20 million on Tatsu. $5 million for a small off the shelf ride like a compact inverted or boomerang. $10 million for a Batman the Ride.
Compare this to $30 million Disneyland spent on Buzz or Monsters Inc. $100 million for ToT and Everest. $200 million+(some rumors say the cost overruns made it $400 million) for Mission:Space.
"I would guarantee you that if you opened Screamin in the Magic Kingdom it would be a huge success, why? Because the park is well established, and any additions to it are welcomed."
What do you mean by "success". Uglying up the park? Bringing more people into a park that is already packed?
Point is, MK doesn't need to add a new coaster every year or two to keep the crowds coming.
"Lets look at Universal, since it was brought up. IOA opened to huge success....and its all cheap thrills, as you say."
Spiderman is cheap thrills? AND, IOA has disappointed, losing money, and causing the company to be sold off twice.
"I personally dont see a place to put a good old fashioned coaster, but I still stand by the fact that just a plain old looping coaster that is themed to look like a wooden coaster will do well in MK."
That is opinion, not fact.
Screamin', why popular once in the park, has kept lots of people away from the park. Why? Becuase it looks like Six Flags. Why pay $60 to go to Disney branded Six-Flags-style park when I can spend $30 and a coke can to go ride better coasters at Six Flags?
Leave the cheap thrills to others. Diseny should stick to doing what it does best.... story, theme.
when i went to California Adventure in October of 05, I didn't think CS looked anything Six Flags. i think it looked like an old board roller coaster, despite the loop which wasn't visible since it blended in with the supports. If they built California Screamin in Magic Kingdom, oh, lets say in Main Street, it probably would still do well. It would attract more thrill seekers to MK, and the attendance of family probably wouldn't drop, and if it did not by much. People don't not come beause of one ride, they come because they went as children and want to take their kids or because they've always wanted to go. A single roller coaster won't stop them.
In my opinion a real roller coaster in the MK would look ugly, but if they built a new roller coaster in Adventure Land with loops I don't think attendance would go down at all. I think it would actually raise.
i know im posting twice in a row, but...
Space Mountain was originally going to be more of a real roller coaster, as seen here:
http://waltdatedworld.bravepages.com/id205.htm
As much as I find MK boring and outdated compared to Universal, I realize I'm looking at it from an adult's point of view. The main question for MK, and it should always be this way, is "what do the kids want".
MK is for kids and the kids-at-heart. It fills a special niche. I guarantee if you ask kids to choose between seeing Mickey and his friends, taking pictures, giving and getting a hug from Goofy vs. riding a big roller coaster...they'd choose Mickey 99 out of a 100 times.
Well, Disney ahs a looper RNR at MGM, Thye want you to visit all there parks so the cash registers keep ringing. IOA did open and was a huge succes 7 years later no real new rides. Universal down in Business the last 2 years.
Sif flags putting parks for sale and attendance down even with new coasters. Any guesses on reasons?
Safety people don't feel safe at the six flags parks, numerous articles have been written about fights and disorderly teens.
When it comes to theme parks NO one does it better then Disney, Period they make rides that anyone can ride pretty much, The employees are customer driven, can't say that about 6 flags.
Disney is trying to venture more in to thrill rides but they realize they are trying to get new younger business who will keep coming back when they get older and have families themselves.
Also I am a Universal Pass Holder, I love IOA an USF but it will never be Disney.
And thank god for that. One center for demonic mousketeering brainwashing is enough. Kidding...dont send mickey after me Darrell.
The business end of things is what Six Flags and Universal doesnt do very well. Also the fact that they are not their own companies, they are owned by parent companies who see the parks as assetts instead of investments. Disney did see that and saw that other avenues could be exploited as well. Disney will continue to venture into thrill rides as long as it remains profitable. The second it stops, they wont. Example...Pirates. It was fine, many say, the way it was. Nothing really wrong with it. However you throw in a blockbuster movie and you get all new interest. You put a movie character in a ride and you get 50 minute lines where before you had 10 minute lines. If they didnt get that, they would stop toying with the ideas of turning rides into movies and therefore basing the rides back on the movies. Profiteering.
I've gotta hand it to you Erik, you know your stuff. Care to share your secrets on how you find all this stuff out?
I like to read.... alot. And google has made finding things out easier. Thats how I found TPI.
great
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