Cedar Point 2007 Continued
Cedar Point: Seeing as how the other one filled up, here's a new thread and some new information from my trip.
Okay, I just got back from a 2 day trip from Cedar Point. I had a great time and I did see a lot.
First, all of the track is being staged right next to Hotel Breakers Express as you're driving towards the causeway. I didn't stop and count, but my guess is that there is about 40 pieces at least. All of them are curved, but not in any way that would suggest inversions or lift hill sections.
Second, definitely Intamin track. They are completely identical to Millennium Force's track, but painted a brighter red than Top Thrill Dragster's.
Third, no employees know what's going on, if they do, they are not willing to share that information. One ride op. on Mean Streak got very irritated when some people kept asking her about the new coaster. She said that she didn't know anything about it, if she did, they couldn't afford to pay her to tell them what she knew, and that it wasn't worth her job.
Last, I never really saw them working on anything related to the ride while I was there which leads me to believe that they are working at night. They don't have anything installed that is over 20 feet tall. Also, they have a security all around the place and a cop car parked at the construction entrance.
Pretty much, I don't think that we'll know much of anything that they are doing until they publically release everything. So unless you have concrete knowledge of going on, please don't spread rumors. Thanks!
I think that It will probably be something like Port Adventuras. With all the curves it will probably not set the inversion record.
I hope this is no boring piece of crap coaster like some people want(family coaster, aquatrax etc.). I think they could do a LIM launcher like Cali Screamin. Thatd be cool. It could have a magnetic lift. Or they could surprise us we have yet to find out.
www.cedarpoint.com and you can watch the construction progress at CP, i love how they have cams, check em out for sure!!!
We can't be too sure about the inversions yet. I was looking at some pictures of Intamin loopers that have the same track and none of the inversions look like a very tightly curved track. Also, if it's going to set the world record in length, you know that it's going to have to be pretty fast to last almost 2 miles so the inversions would have to be fairly large. Also, supposedly they only have 2% of the track on site.
how do you know if they only have 2% of the track on site? anyone check out the webcam yet?
When I was up there, all they had was about 40 (give or take 5) pieces of track in a fenced in area by Hotel Breakers Express at the front of Cedar Point Drive. In the actual construction site, they had 2 pieces that I could see. Also while I was there, I didn't see any trucks coming in or out that looked like they were hauling any track. They also weren't doing any work during the day (while I was there) and they only had what looked like the low to the ground supports up (looks like there might be some sweet turns right on the gound almost).
They could possibly be storing the track at another location. It would make sense seeing as this is the most talked about ride on any forum so far. I'm sure that they won't start actually installing any major part of the ride until the park is closed for the season. They just want to give us a little peek to what they're doing without really giving us anything. I guess they want to see what we'll come up with and see how close we're getting.
I can't wait for the announcement, at coasterbuzz.com, all they do is talk about the new ride and what it could be.
just in, CP coaster is gonna be 525 ft tall, sweet....
Where'd you find that out?
From steve lee
Posted August 10, 2006 at 4:22 AM
just in, Ryan's making crap up again.
pointbuzz.com
I just dug through that site for an hour and didn't find anything anywhere saying that it was going to be over 500'. Also, something that tall would have a HUGE footprint, much bigger than I think they have space for. If that really is on there, please copy and paste the link here, I want to see for myself.
sorry Boss, i was jk but i hope n pray its over 500 ft and 200 mph hahahaha
I don't think you'll see anything in the near future breaking either of those landmarks for many reasons. The major of those being: Cost, Size, Insurance, and G-Forces. Also, with the amount of deaths being publicized more this year, I don't think a park is going to want to risk building something that extreme.
Wouldn't guests have to take a physical before they ride a 200 mph roller coaster. Then at the end would they have to have a check up. I just don't see it. A lengthty coaster is needed but I like the idea of the dueling B&M flyer that may show up soon in a couple of years.
i for one hate B&M. they have no technology!!!
Okay Ryan come up with a better coaster with an Intamin Design on roller coaster tycoon 3 than B&M can make.
B&M still cannot figure out how 2 launch a coaster!!!
Maybe B&M just doesn't want to deal with all the hassel of a launch coaster?
First they would have to design a new system to do a launch seeing as how every other company has patents on theirs.
Next, they would have to install it in a park willing to take a chance on a new technology.
Then they would have to cover all the costs of fixing the likely bugs (which could get VERY expensive).
Finally, not a lot of parks are in the market for that type of coaster right now with all the publicity of accidents this year. The media is really trying to make the amusement industry look bad by over reporting all these accidents and mishaps. For a park to put in a new launch coaster for one, but one that has never been made before would just be inviting the media to make them look bad.
Besides, the costs of a launch coaster compared to a traditional coaster is considerable. Also, people will come back time after time for a traditional coaster (with a chain/cable lift) than for a lauch coaster. There are exceptions to that, Volcano and Flight of Fear being good examples. The difference there is that there is actually a ride, not just a launch 400 ft up and back down and that's it.
From Sean Rust
Posted August 14, 2006 at 3:01 PM
And Intamin can't figure out how to make a coaster that can stay in operation more than its broken down...
B&M has only created one "launch coaster" and that was The Incredible Hulk Coaster. Actually, they only handled the coaster part, and handed the launch part to another company. B&M just doesn't think launch coasters are cost-effective or reliable. They seem to be right, as most B&M coasters, if they do go down, are only down for a few hours. Most launch coasters set the record for down time, which can be several days or weeks.
whoa, give me TTD over volcano or FOF any day of the week, no doubt, i luv the rush, and gotta have it!
But overall ride experience. If I had to choose between Volcano/Flight of Fear and TTD for a 2 hour wait, I'd choose Volcano/Flight of Fear. You actually get a ride, not just fast, up, down, fast, stop.
Ryan B&M made Hulk which launches you out of a tunnel nice try.
Actually, B&M made the coaster, the launching part was done by another company. Don't ask me who, just what I got off of www.coasterbuzz.com
yea b&m designed hulk but not the launch, and your kidding right, u would want volcano in ur park instead of TTD? whoa!!!
TTD is an awesome thrill
But it's not much of a ride. 2+ hours for 16 seconds?? wow..
Everyone here is so sure about what the rollercoaster isn't going to be... how do you guys know that Intamin doesn't have a brand new design that they haven't revealed to the public yet and that is what is being built at Cedar Point?
That has crossed my mind before and it would make sense.
CP is goin all out and they r trying something new 2 get people's attention, parks will follow their lead after next year, can't wait....
www.pointbuzz.com for construction updates, check it out yall....
Backing up to the TTD/FOF debate...I gotta add my two cents, too! ;)
I like both, though it's been about three years since I've been to King's Island. However, it isn't the amount of time on the ride, but the sensation the ride leaves you with afterwards. I don't know about you guys, but my legs shake for half an hour after I get off of TTD; FOF isn't as exciting and doesn't have that effect, though it is a quality coaster.
http://pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=5067
I personally belive that it will break the highest/fastest record again. I have followed CP forever, and I go there yearly as I am stationed in SC.
Here has been the past... I wont even go beyone 2000 to prove about Magnum.
2000... Cedar Point opens up the year with Millennium Force... the highest and fastest coaster in the world.
2000... meer days after Cedar Point releases Millennium Force... Nagashema Spaland Mia, Japan introduces Steel Dragon 2000... which was 6 feet taller, and 3 mph faster.
2003... Cedar Point rallies back with Top Thrill Dragster... crushing the old record by 94ft and 25mph... showing that they plan to be a force to recon with for the tallest/fastest records.
2005 Six Flags Great Adventure NJ debus Kingda Ka which is 418 feet tall, and 6mph faster then Top Thrill Dragster.
Cedar Point has always made it a point to own and dominate the tallest/fastest record, and I personally feel that the 2007 coaster is in retialiation to the Six Flags record. The name Maverick also leads me to belive a new type of coaster... of which I actually rode one yesterday... at Six Flags over GA... called Goilath... which is something I have never rode before... and the ride design is out of the world. With no shoulder harness... you feel as if you are literally going to leave the track... and its ride design (track wise) is almost exactly like CP's track they have laying around for construction. They might not be trying to break the record with this coaster... but its one of the two... tallest/fastest record breaking... or this new ride style.
Here is a link...
http://www.sixflags.com/parks/overgeorgia/Rides/GOLIATH.html
LOL, what a trip, thats a B&M coaster, no way CP would build a B&M, and you think that type of coaster is new? lol, funny stuff, where have you been, what planet?
From Stacy R
Posted August 21, 2006 at 1:13 PM
I vote that Ryan Saunders stops posting... he's a joke, constantly rags on people for their opinions. He needs to grow up and forget posting comments unless he has something useful to say.
On a second note, I posted a new topic earlier about a coaster in Hershey Park called Storm Runner that bears a striking resemblance to the new Cedar Point track and posts holding the track. That's my guess as to what it's going to be.
From Stacy R
Posted August 21, 2006 at 3:16 PM
According to the camera set up on funcoast.com the hill that was being built today seems to be about 75 ft tall...
From Stacy R
Posted August 21, 2006 at 4:19 PM
Here's some more information as well....
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78798189
It seems unlikely that they are going for height and speed records since that would probably just result in a taller version of Dragster.
Lots of inversions being built lately. I'm waiting to see the spiral portion of the track sometime soon. The new two magic words...ten inversions. By the way, the official announcement is on September 7th.
We'll find out Thursday, September 7th.
William Bennett, you made a fallacy regarding the obvious copy of Top Thrill Dragster, Kingda Ka. It goes 456 ft. and 122 M.P.H. When you are up that high and going that fast, you do not notice the difference. If you would like to read my full opinion on Kinda Copy, click discussion, then where it says theme parks, click Six Flags Great Adventure, then click on the message board that asks if you can put your hands up on it.
KK is horrible, as u can see by the awards, TTD is smooth and sweet and KK is SHaky, typical, TTD is #10 and kk is #28, yippy, TTD is #2 to me
KK is 128mph
TTD is smooth, Kkrap is not, simple
It's not a kinda copy...it's basically a clone ride..that has had some inhanced features added. It has a bunny hill, and is taller and faster....and thaaat's about it. Kinda like a big brother ride, except, it's not likely to get higher ratings or really over shadow it's little brother....or something like that..I not sure that it's shaky, though..
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