Will Cedar point try an build a 500 foot Coaster??
Cedar Point: Cedar point is usally the leader in new idea's for rollercoasters. Do you think they will build a 500 foot coaster.
Cedar point always has some of the newest biggest fastest coasters. Do you think they will build a 500 monstrosity???
Not unless they or a coaster company can figure out a way for it to be somehow significantly different than Top Thrill Dragster.
thats true because it wouldnt make sense to have 2 rides basically identical just one is taller. Unless they make it different
I heard a rumor that cp is going to add 50ft on to top thrill over thier off season this yaer to claim the tallest and fastest again!
Why do it, it's pontless.
more rollbacks.
Of course they will. The only real question is when. My guess would be in about 4 or 5 years.
do you think this is a good thing
I do. Another Record to conquer.
But just because they can break a record, does that mean they should or will?
I think they need to get into the game a little deeper with more innovative rides. Dollywood has a really innovative ride with Mystery Mines.....And I'm sure coaster junkies would love to see a more immersive coaster combined with a really killer setup.
yea, i think its a good thing too,
cuase they will get known for the tallest and fastest all over again! which will draw large crowds! but yea i know what you mean when you say that they need to build more immersive rides that will just be so realistic and unbelievable that it would put them in the highlight of amuesment parks, plus cedar point has great engineers to accomplish that!!!
If the idea that TTD will add another 50 ft to break the record is true, I'm still a bit iffy on whether or not it's a great idea. It doesn't really seem like it would bring much honor back to the ride. The thing that i appreciated most about Cedar Point's record-breaking coasters was that they built a new ride every time they broke the record for the tallest. First there was Magnum XL-200, then Millenium Force, then Top Thrill Dragster. Not only does it get better and better with each new addition, but it also makes you more excited about the next big thing coming. So I'd definately prefer a different ride design. I guess that's just the way I see it. But if they did ever make TTD taller, I'd still totally ride it.
I'd rather see a good dark ride.
Cedar Point doesn't have the room for a 500 ft coaster, plain and simple. They had to remove a ride to put in Maverick. Millenium Force and Top Thrill Dragster have the largest footprints of coasters in the sense of taking up a lot of space with lots of empty space blocked in. Mean Streak takes up a huge amount of space but everything is used.
My opinion of what's going to happen is a top of the line dark ride or they are going to take out and replace/re-renovate Disaster Transport into a better dark coaster.
Cedar Point has the room to build it. They will make room in places they don't have. They moved three rides and got rid of one for Millennium Force. It would be either be a squeeze, or they would just build some of it over the midway.
The 500 foot coaster will be built one day. It's just a matter of when and where. Launch coasters such as Dragster and Kingda Ka have eminently higher operating costs, and while the launch technology has gotten better, it's still not dependable enough to invest 30 million bucks. I see the 500 foot coaster in a more traditional form....maybe not with a lift hill (which would require a huge footprint), but with an elevator that takes trains up vertically to the first drop (think very large service elevator. The design would be another factor. The tallest coasters now in existence push some limits on what the average rider can take, so we are talking about a whole new concept.
I think that Cedar Point will at the very least consider it. A 500 foot coaster would be a technological marvel, and people would come to ride it, but there is the other side of the coin. Would it be ok to operate in high winds? (Dragster is closed when it's moderately windy on the ground) Is the money really there to spend? (We are probably talking 40 plus million in my amateur estimation). Remember that this park belongs to a company in huge transition and debt right now, and that kind of investment in one park in the near future, even if it is the flagship, is a bit looney given their debtload. Besides, the huge success of Maverick this year has shown that height doesn't necessarily equal extreme thrills. That still doesn't mean that the park hasn't at least already thought about 500 ft.
One day...it will happen. Coaster builders could only dream of going 200 feet only 25 years ago, and now we are over 400. All it takes is a masterful design and a park with a lot of money and a bit of zanyness.
yea i hope cedar point doesnt stop biulding the tallest and fastest, cuase personally i dont think that maverick is all that great, its good, but i think that top thrill, millennium, and magnum are all beter than maverick.
I hope your right, and i hope it is cedar point that builds the next tallest and fastest. and when they do build it..... ill be there to ride it!!!! cuase I love coaster that are really tall
cuase the taller they are the faster they will go!!!!! and I WANNA GO FAST!!!! (quoted by a movie called Talledagea Nights) haha! i love that movie!
From K P
Posted September 22, 2007 at 4:09 PM
They are not ever going to add 50ft to TTD. Point Buzz was just making stupid jokes about it. Don't make up completely stupid rumors.
In No way will they Build a Coaster 500ft, Cedar Point is out of room and they need to dismantle outdated rides. And Is Top Thrill Dragster Fun? Most people I talk to say it is over quick and not fun...
What??? Seriously, how could going 120 mph, 420 feet in the air not be fun??? idk how anybody could say that its not fun! I personally think its a blast. Its short, but its also one of the most intense roller coaster i've ever been on!
Same I do like the intensity of Kingda ka.
Gary, every year people say that CP is out of room and yet somehow they keep adding more rides. Never count CP out of the rollercoaster race. TTD is short, but still very thrilling. I can't imagine a 500 ft coaster, but if it's possible, CP will find the room for it. :-)
Although - CP has figured out that they don't have to build the tallest or fastest to make a great ride. Maverick is proof of that. In fact, I love my Millennium and TTD, but Maverick was incredibly thrilling - especially after the 2nd launch. So much so that everyone in my party agreed that this was their new favorite ride at CP. And, there's room to grow. CP is ingenious at winding coasters in and around each other. Cedar Creek Mine Ride seems to me the perfect attraction to tear down and rebuild something a bit more exciting.
yea but, building the tallest and fastest roller coaster has been something cedar point has always done, and is what the park is known for, and i dont think they want that taken away from them. It might be a while but I think that soon Cp will re-take the tallest and fastest again.
I just can't figure out why they don't build sections of the rides out into the water. Upkeep would be expensive but it would attract people.
From steve lee
Posted May 31, 2008 at 9:59 PM
Well, that depends on what body of water you're talking about. I can't think of a major area in the park that doesn't already have something going over it. If you're thinking of Lake Erie...well, Cedar Fair doesn't own that, and the amount of red tape they'd have to get through to position anything out there is probably insurmountable.
CP is definatly going to build a 500 ft coaster. it just wont be any tome soon.
CP is not going to add 50 ft to the dagster because then they would have to add more speed onto it so it would get to the top without rolling back. There will probably not be a 500ft coaster built anytime soon. Height doesnt neccesaraly mean more thrills. But that would be pretty cool. I've heard rumors tht they will put two douling dragon coasters where the demon drop currently is.
Give them time and they will take the worlds tallest and fastest again. This what they have done for MANY years, its what they are known for, and they will keep doing this. I think within the next 5 years they will come up with something "big" and un-heard of, and cedar point will once again shock the amuesment industry.
i think they will make a 500 footer in time in the near future but if they don't put an addition onto TTD where will they put a 500 foot beast ride. they can't just build it they really gave to think of a design plan that will work with the extreme hight of 500 feet or more the wind at that hight would be monstrous if ground level winds are 25 mph. they can't have people on a lift hill with like 70 mph winds they would have to close the ride on every windy day
Unless they make the lift hill inside, with clear glass so they can see how high they are.
The only way that a 500 ft. roller coaster will go to Cedar Point is if they made a vertical lift system. I love heights and speed, but Cedar Point does not need to build a 500 ft. coaster. They need more quality from their wooden coasters, more loops, and to get away from building just normal sit down coasters. A floorless or even a flyer would be great. My personal choice is to make a launching flyer. If they can launch a 4th Deminsion Coaster (Kirnu), they can launch a flying coaster.
Just because it is tallest or fastest doesn't mean it will be best. They should put some oney into a good quality coaster.
From Julene W
Posted July 25, 2008 at 1:07 PM
I think it's possible that they will SOME day, but not anytime soon. In all recent interviews I have seen/read with Richard Kinzel, the CEO or Cedar Fair, he has stated that Cedar Point is not trying to break records at the present time, but is focusing on making the park as great as possible. They are focusing more on rides like Maverick, that although they do not break any existing records, offer an overall great ride experience. He has also said in past interviews that due to the cost to build/maintain TTD (versus the number of riders yearly), it was financially one of the company's worst business decisions. I love Top Thrill Dragster and would have to disagree with this statement; but given the company's view on TTD and similar rides, I don't see a 500 footer coming any time in the near future. Cedar Point does have a way of reclaiming records, though, so who knows. Anything's a possibility! (And I hope to see the day that a 500 ft. roller coaster does come to Cedar Point!)
One thing about CP is that they have a wide variety of coaster types to choose from. Breaking the 'tallest and fastest' record is old news, for me I would rather see CP build something new and unique that is like no other coaster around. To me, one-of-a-kind coasters are more exciting (take X at Magic Mountain for example) than the latest 'tallest and fastest'. Just because a ride is the 'tallest and fastest' does not necessarily make it the best...there are other ways to make roller coasters stand out.
I would personally love to see something new and unique (such as a launched flying coaster, as Jake Countiss suggested) rather than the latest 'tallest and fastest'. That's just my opinion.
From everything that I've seen, like the website and pictures, it would be a complete coaster park if it had a floorless coaster. That's ALL it's missing.
From Steve Pint
Posted December 1, 2008 at 11:51 AM
They eventually will I think, probably not in the next 2 years, maybe the next 4 or so.
A flyer would be nice, 10 times better then Tatsu anybody?
A floorless coaster like the poster above me pointed out is really the only main coaster they need to have *All* main types.
A dive machine would be my second choice fora new coaster.
Really those 3 are the only ones i need to see at Cedar Point, i don't think they need the tallest and fastest to be a great park.
basically no! its not gonna happen at cedar point, there is absolutely no room at the park, the new focus of cedar fair is kings island, look for a large coaster to pop up there
From Brandon S
Posted April 6, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Cedar Point does have some room(they are clearing out the trees on Millennium Island,maybe a new coaster in 2010 hopefully?!) what ive been saying for a couple of years is y don't they just make 2 huge parking garages and make the rest of the parking lot an area for the park? you could probably fit a few new coasters there!
I'll chime in and say no. Here's why: In July 2008 I was exiting Dragster and noticed Monty Jasper standing there watching. I recognized him from tv shows on amusement parks. I approached him and had a conversation. Very friendly and approachable. I asked him about the rumor that always seems to circulate about Cedar Point regretting building Dragster due to frequent break-downs. He said that the rumor is absolutely untrue. He said they have worked hard at reducing the number of maintenance issue over the years and they are glad to have the coaster. I also asked him about the possibility of building a taller coaster. He said it was unlikey. He pointed out that Maverick is proof that you can make a great coaster without it having to be hundreds of feet tall. I love Maverick, but find it quite rough. If they ever build a 500 foot coaster, I want to ride it. As other people have said, unless it's a different design, it's pointless.
so i have read all of the responses about a 500 ft+ roller coaster and I am very optimistic about cedar point living up to its status as a record breaker park. Everyone keeps bringing up the same issues...too large of a footprint, vertical lift hill, and different type of design.. I am an industrial designer and if anyone wants to start a ride design company let me know..i am more than willing to figure all these problems out ha.. (astuhldreher@gmail.com)
another question... why are all giga/ strata/ coasters always sit down? why not a 500 foot flying, floor less, inverted???? i think we need to explore max heights with those types of coasters...
Flying/Inverted are probably just less safe, other then that i can't find a reason. Floorless would be cool though!
As for the topic, I believe Cedar Point could pull it off as long as it doesn't look like the Dragster, otherwise it would just be awkward... They need a new element, something that's just insane.
110 Degree drop on a 500ft coaster anyone??
From Brandon S
Posted May 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Sounds good. I'm waiting for the 500 foot dive machine that goes right into Lake Erie haha, but seriously Cedar Point will reach 500 feet one day. And they do have enough room, I don't care what you people say, have you ever even been to Cedar Point? They find ways to build more. Hopefully, they will remove Soak City, Camper's Village, and get rid of the parking lot and put a gigantic parking garage. Then there will be more than enough room for future expansion.
i think the 500FT coaster will not be built be Cedar Point i think it will be built by a major park in Illinois Iowa Indiana or Missouri but there will be one
From Brandon S
Posted May 20, 2009 at 3:52 PM
^Your kidding right? There is no major park in those states that would build that. And Iowa? haha the only park in those states that would build one would be Six Flags Great America in Chicago but I don't think Six Flags will be building anything that big anytime soon given they're problems right now.
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