Cedar Fair Better Watch Six Flags Closely

Kings Island: With the Texas Giant rehab, if prooven successful, perhaps Son of Beast and Mean Streak would earn titles as #1 coasters in the World.

From Nick Markham
Posted March 5, 2010 at 11:20 AM
I mean imagine the same Son of Beast or Mean Streak but extremly smooth with a steeper drop, 95 degree turns, and a return of the infamous loop since the track would be steel. Would this not be the makings of the greatest wooden coaster ever?

Anyway, I'm excited to see what happens with Texas Giant, but I hope Cedar Fair reads into this hybrid idea as it would help them in the long run.

From Eugene Koh
Posted March 5, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Cedar Fair didn't even get Intamin to build a Pre-Fab. Six Flags did. But I would love to see SOB been replaced by a El Toro like coaster.

From Nick Markham
Posted March 5, 2010 at 5:31 PM
No but Intamin isn't doing the Texas Giant makeover. It is Philadeplphia Tobaggan Coasters and would then not be too expensive for Cedar Fair like Intamin is for their wooden coasters.

Though I would not be surprised to see Mean Streak get replaced with an Intamin Pre-Fab since Cedar Point is Intamin crazy!

From Eugene Koh
Posted March 5, 2010 at 9:17 PM
I would love to see how a B&M woodie will look like. I think it was true, it will be heartlined and it will be constructed in standardized sections. And yeah I forgot, four-across and lots of airtime. That is how a B&M is! That's why I like Goliath and Kraken.

From Nick Markham
Posted March 5, 2010 at 9:30 PM
^That would be interesting, but I'll tell you right now you may never see the day B&M goes wooden. That my friend has not and probably will not cross B&M's mind.

But it would be interesting...

From Eugene Koh
Posted March 6, 2010 at 1:26 AM
Wait, what if there is a 150 feet GCI woodie? GCIs are usually below 100 feet but they are still lightning! Try Prowler at Worlds of Fun and Roar at Six Flags America (which would have been better with Millennium Flyers) but its still good. Wait, I heard Psyclone at SFMM had a B&M train installed. Both SOB and Mean Streak SOKS MA SOX. They both get rougher every year.

From Nick Markham
Posted March 6, 2010 at 8:10 PM
Already being done in China:


But this height is merely a deception, as since it is going up a mountain, it remains something like 20 feet from the ground for the first part. But there will still be a 131 drop and there will be Millennium Flyer trains!

From Eugene Koh
Posted March 6, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Nick, is Terminator at SFMM a smooth woodie? Hersheypark has three GCI woodies and I am definitely going to Pennsylvania this year, possibly going to Kennywood as well. I recently went to Busch Gardens Tampa Bay and Gwazi isn't too smooth for a GCI. Try Prowler at Worlds of Fun!

From Eugene Koh
Posted March 8, 2010 at 9:17 PM
Double post! Why PTC make the new Texas Giant? How about Intamin or The Gravity Group?

From Nick Markham
Posted March 9, 2010 at 6:27 AM
Okay, for your first question, Terminator is smooth along with just about every GCI (but Terminator is cloolest with all of its theming working). But there is really only one rough GCI being Gwazi, but it is geting a small refurb at the moment which includes sightings of new millennium flyer cars, the smoothest yet.

From Eugene Koh
Posted March 9, 2010 at 7:49 AM
I recently went to Busch Gardens Tampa Bay a few weeks ago but right now I am at home in Georgia. Gwazi was rough and I saw no Millenium Flyers but I heard it's gonna get it soon. I heard Wildcat had installed Millenium Flyers and enthusiast said that it was one of the smoothest woodies around after the installation. Wow, I guess no one was responding to this discussion, it's like a long MSN chat in a website.

From Derek Potter
Posted March 9, 2010 at 3:03 PM
It wouldn't be the greatest wooden coaster ever, because it wouldn't be a true wooden coaster. A better ride? yep, but not a wooden coaster. It would be interesting to see Son of Beast get a treatment like this, but then again, if something can go wrong with that coaster, it usually does.

From Eugene Koh
Posted March 9, 2010 at 9:00 PM
Derek!! YOU!! THIS IS A PRIVATE CONVERSATION WITH ME AND NICK! Have you read the responses before you post it?

From Nick Markham
Posted March 9, 2010 at 9:45 PM
Calm down calm down ^. This is a public discussion, just now with more attention from the front page! :D

From Derek Potter
Posted March 9, 2010 at 10:40 PM
my bad...although maybe you should consider a private room if it's that serious. I now feel kind of like the guy who just walked in on two people in a public bathroom or something.

For the record, aside from the Texas Giant experiment, I think it's the other way around. Six Flags should be watching and learning from Cedar Fair.

From Eugene Koh
Posted March 10, 2010 at 3:42 AM
It's OK Derek. I'm sorry to make you feel this way. I get angry very easily sometimes. At least we have another member joining our conversation! I hate to say this but I don't really like Philadelphia Toboggan Coasters that much except for Blue Streak according to my coaster books. But I heard Comet and Pheonix are smooth. I think both Blue Streak and Great American Scream Machine (which both I had ridden so far) have good airtime, but GASM is rough. No no, Derek. You're wrong. Son of Beast was considered 'smoother' before Cedar Fair got it. Six Flags are very careful for their ride maintenance. Cedar Fair just care about thrillers and gets less smoother over the years same as Millennium Force as well. Kingda Ka has high speeds but it was quite smooth. Top Thrill Dragster was rough but very fun as well. Why do you think Six Flags SHOULD watch Cedar Fair. Or are you a typical Cedar Fair lover? I know people complaint about Ninja and Rattler but the names fit the roughness! =D


From James Rao
Posted March 10, 2010 at 4:25 AM
Eugene sometimes misses sleep, and skips medication, which leads to these outbursts... he generally calms down after a few hours and everything is good. =)

I tend to agree with Derek, though, and think that with the financial state of the Six Flags corp, no one is looking to them as an example of "what to do" about anything. Even coasters. Maybe someday, if Shapiro can save the company, but definitely not today.

From Eugene Koh
Posted March 10, 2010 at 10:10 PM
Wow, another alien invasion? =D

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