Is Disney World's Avatar project delayed… or dead? And what about Cars Land East?

September 5, 2012, 8:27 AM · Movie blogs this week have been reporting delays on production of director James Cameron's new Avatar movies, including word that a fourth Avatar might not be in the works at all. The initial report, from IndieWire on Monday, included speculation that the Avatar project for Disney's Animal Kingdom is running behind schedule, too.


Supposedly Cameron is not the easiest dude to work with and that, when frustrated by Imagineering and what he considers to be their lack of progress, he simply walks away and, say, stashes himself at the bottom of the ocean. That must make for a fractured and unwieldy work process for the Imagineers on the project – a kind of stop-and-go rhythm that's harder to wrangle than one of those flying dragons.

Video game site IGN yesterday took that report and ran with it, pushing the Avatar land's opening well past 2015, due to "creative differences between Cameron and Disney's Imagineer development team."

And today, blogger Kevin Yee reads the tea leaves and all but declares the Avatar project dead.

Yee goes on to confirm rumors that Avatar's been replaced on Disney World's to-do list by an east coast version of California Adventure's Cars Land, planned for the space now occupied by Lights, Motors, Action and the Backlot Tour at Disney's Hollywood Studios. That confirmation comes just a day after Yee threw a bit of cold water on such speculation, reporting that Disney Chief Creative Officer John Lasseter didn't want to dupe Cars Land in Florida, which would be enough to kill the project.

Yee's one of the better reporters out there, so if he says that project's a "go" now, I'm inclined to believe him. But I can't help but wonder what could have gotten Lasseter on board with the idea? Then again, if Avatar's not hitting its deadline (in the best-case scenario), Marvel's not coming, and Universal's raising the stakes by opening its version of Transformers next summer (check the blackout dates, folks), perhaps Disney might not have much choice but to greenlight something that's ready to go.

We do know this: Avatar was slated to go into the space in Animal Kingdom now occupied by Festival of the Lion King. If that show doesn't close in January to make room for Avatar, as is now planned, we will know for sure that the Avatar project is in trouble. And if Lights, Motors, Action closes instead early next year, we'll know that Cars Land East likely will happen, too. Keep your eyes open.

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September 5, 2012 at 8:42 AM · Disclaimer : I'm a HUGE Disney fan so any criticism is out of love. :)

Disney, Please DO NOT bring Cars Land to Florida. It was an amazing addition to California Adventure but keep it exclusive to the West Coast. Its one thing to clone a popular attraction (Transformers in Orlando), which I'm fine with since Transformers is my 2nd favorite ride.

But cloning an entire land seems like you've lost some of your creativity. Give us something new to get excited about.

-Pixar World (with the long awaited Incredibles Ride)
-Star Wars Land
-Marvel (Pony up and buy the rights from Universal)

Speaking of which, as much as I LOVE the Spiderman ride; nothing would make me happier to see a Batman ride takes its place. I'd love to travel around Gotham in the Batmobile and do battle with the likes of Joker, Bane and Scarecrow.

September 5, 2012 at 9:00 AM · Double post.
September 5, 2012 at 8:59 AM · I'd take Star Wars land over Avatar any day. Am I disappointed Avatar might be dead? A little, but Cameron is getting obsessed with Avatar. Seriously, hes already looking at Avatar 4 when 2 hasn't started production yet. Will Avatar go to Universal? Who knows, they have a lot under their belt now.
September 5, 2012 at 9:12 AM · The Avatar project should be dead in my opinion. Disney would probably have to spend way more than they are budgeted to pull it off correctly and to make people care that it's there. I haven't really seen much excitement about the project from theme park fans at all. Not even 1/10 of the excitement that Universal's Harry Potter announcement received. Maybe there is more excitement for this globally?(Disney World seems to be catering to the international audience more and more)I don't know. I just know that personally, I'd rather see the origianl plans for AK built than Avatar. Or, instead of just slapping Cars land into the studios, do a major overhaul of this ugly, full-of-sound stage-buidings theme park. If the Tower of Terror wasn't in that park, I'd probably never set foot in it.
September 5, 2012 at 9:13 AM · While I do hope that Avatar isn't coming to WDW, I also don't want Carsland to head East. I want more reasons to go to WDW or DLR, not less. Why not make a land based on one of the classics, or a group of classics? Like the Lion King, Aladdin, Beauty, etc. years?

I think the main direction they should go is immersion. It's why a Marvel Land wouldn't work for me. No real landmarks in those movies that would work.

September 5, 2012 at 9:17 AM · I have mixed feelings about this news. On one hand, I have little interest in the Avatar land. Assuming that Disney does something else instead to beef up the Animal Kingdom, I'd be fine with it going away. The results don't even need to be that ambitious.

For Cars Land, I think it sounds like a great addition to an area of Hollywood Studios that's a dead zone. However, I'm not excited to just see them repeat the same land. I'd prefer something new on another Pixar property, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, or something not tied to a specific movie (doubtful I know). I just want to see them invest in building up DHS and the Animal Kingdom to make them legitimate full-day experiences for repeat visitors.

September 5, 2012 at 9:46 AM · I have to wonder if Lasseter wasn't on board with building an entire Cars Land in Florida but was brought around on the idea of just building Radiator Springs racers as an extension of Pixar Place. Heck, retheme HISTK play area to Bug's Life, throw in a Ratatouille restaurant and an Incredibles show or something and you basically have a "brand new land" to market back there.
September 5, 2012 at 9:48 AM · Neil, I like your thinking. I have no clue whether or not anyone in Disney shares it, but what you describe sounds like a potential winner of a land to me.
September 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM · If Pandora/Avatar is dead (much to my chagrin), then Beastly Kingdom should be green lit. DAK needs an infusion of excitement to escape its half-day park status.

As for Cars Land at DHS, I would rather just have an expansion of Pixar Place with other Pixar properties (Monsters Inc coaster, Incredibles attraction, etc) rather than a clone of something on the west coast. However, I understand why Orlando would want Cars Land... it has been a huge financial success for the company and is driving DCA attendance to record heights, reportedly exceeding even the company's most optimistic expectations for the park. But I hate to see the feather get plucked out of DCA's cap so soon after it finally achieved "destination park" status!

September 5, 2012 at 10:01 AM · About 3 weeks ago, I heard from what I consider to be a trusted source (can't say who) that Avatarland was being delayed due to "creative differences" between Disney and James Cameron. He also said that "high end" Disney Imagineers mentioned a "big something in Pixar Place" that may have had it's "timeline affected by the delay". He did NOT specifically mention Carsland. I thought that this was nothing, but after reading Dom's source on a DHS expansion and IGN's Avatarland delay report, everything adds up, and I felt the need to report this.

What I interpreted this news as: Disney was planning on a DHS expansion, set to start construction after Avatarland's completion; about 2015-2018. This is something that Dom's DHS expansion source comfirmed. However, the Avatarland delay is causing this DHS expansion to get bumped up. The reason why Disney is considering cancelling Avatarland altogether is because they are worried that they will have to move Avatarland to the 2015-2018 timeline. While the creative differences are a factor, the truth is disney's not sold on Avatar being bviable in 2018.

September 5, 2012 at 10:05 AM · Personally, I've never seen the Avatar movie and I don't plan on seeing it, so I can't say this really disappoints me all that much, although I know I'm in the minority as that movie made a ton of money, so more power to them. I sort of feel the same way about the Harry Potterization of Universal, as I've never read any of the books and only seen one of the movies, so it doesn't really appeal to me. Again, I know I'm in a pretty big minority. As far as Cars Land goes, I'm all for them doing something to beef up Hollywood Studios and Cars Land is as good as anything, but I would also like to see them expand the Star Wars section to include the rumoured restaurant...Also, maybe update the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular to a Star Wars stunt show of some kind? Just throwing stuff out there.
September 5, 2012 at 10:08 AM · I wonder if they should relegate Avatar to EPCOT as a new pavilion to replace the mothballed Body Wars ride as an 3D adventure of environment sustainment and ecology.

I'm not against Cars Land. It sort of makes DCA and Disney Studios into sister parks. They have almost the same rides.

September 5, 2012 at 11:01 AM · I was kind of excited for Avatar Land, but now I think that it isn't as amazing as I thought. I would rather see the "ancient creatures" o whatever it is clad land that was planned in the beginning on Animal Kingdom (if you haven't noticed there's a dragon on the logo). I think that could be a more interesting approach for Disney, or something like Tokio DisneySea's Journey to the Center of the Earth.
September 5, 2012 at 11:29 AM · I hope Avatar is a dead project. I never thought it was a good idea from the beginning. I would much rather see Beastly Kingdom make its comeback instead. Also Disney would not have to pay a millions upon millions of dollars to James Cameron for the rights to use his overrated movie.
I also do not really want cars land in Hollywood Studios. To me I want something like Star Wars because Hollywood Studios is the closest thing to a Universal park as far as the rides and the fact that they cater more to young adults. I think if you add cars land (while awesome visually) its rides are really more for kids or tame adults and I think the young adults deserve some love from Disney.
September 5, 2012 at 11:37 AM · I was never that excited about Avatar Land. In my opinion, the movie was just okay, and while a single attraction might not have been bad I don't think it was deserving of an entire land. The land certainly wouldn't have made me any more likely to visit, although I'd probably enjoy it while I was there.

Cars, that's of little interest as well. Maybe it's because I live in California, but it's more that I think a park's major attractions should be unique to that park. I don't care if Disneyland and Disney World both have the same C and D ticket attractions, but if I can find half the E tickets at my local park in a similar form I'm not going to go out of my way to visit (hence why I'm unhappy with Transformers in Florida as well). As it currently is, Disney World wouldn't even make the cut if I only had a week in Florida, as I'd rather spend my time Busch Gardens Tampa, SeaWorld Orlando, and Universal Studios Florida/Islands of Adventure. If I had 7-10 park days, then I'd add Walt Disney World onto the trip (and if I had longer, Legoland Florida would be added to complete all the major Florida Parks).

I don't have any current plans to visit Florida, and I absolutely will not be visiting until at least 2014 (when Fantasyland is done), but I must say that based on what I've seen it's time for Disney to step up their game. With the high admission price and the aggressiveness of their competiton, I have a really strong feeling if they don't do something they'll start losing visitors. Beastly Kingdom would be great for Animal Kingdom (and is a land I'd love to see), but I think their best shot at a significant attendance increase would be to develop a Star Wars Land for Hollywood Studios and have it ready by 2016-2017 (right around when the 3D re-releases end).

September 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM · Neil Trama: "...throw in a Ratatouille restaurant..."

Though there's obviously less of a financial outlay in designing a restaurant from scratch than there is in an attraction, it's probably worth remembering that such a thing is on the cards for construction in Paris in the near future. I imagine Lasseter et al will be watching closely to see how successfully it fares.

September 5, 2012 at 11:51 AM · I have always been mixed on the Avatar project, which mirrors how I felt about the movie. I really do believe DAK needs something, particularly in the Camp Minnie-Mickey area, but Avatar always seemed like a weird mix to me. I mean, it makes sense in a way (a lot of the movie is about conservation and natural wonders) but it is VERY sci-fi, to the point that it would look odd in DAK. I really do wish they would have just done Beastly Kingdom, but alas they backed away from that.

A Cars Land East thing would be ok, but really, they should do a Pixar Land there. Seriously, they already have the theming in and around Toy Story, put in a Monsters Inc. ride, an Incredibles ride (seriously, why have they not done a thing with this franchise is beyond me), and a version of Radiator Springs Racers. Turn Hollywood Studios into a mandatory full day park.

I am not one to say that Disney has to be running scared with all of the development Universal is doing, but let's face facts, if the 2 Universal parks become full day parks, that starts taking away time people would spend in Disney. I mean, you go down there for a full week, if 2 days are in Universal, then Disney will have you for 5 days at the most (and they want you for more than that.) Eventually, Disney will start feeling the pinch if they don't do something other than the Fantasy Land revamp.

September 5, 2012 at 12:32 PM · I'm sad that Disney is considering canceling avatar but I wanted to tell all of you something . The Hollywood studios expansion is probably going to be the most anticipated themepark opening ever ( with the exception of the wizarding world) I read what will probably be added to Hollywood studios and I thought up what we could do with this park.

Lets start by just saying what we all want to say. Anything south of Echo lake that's not Star Wars related closes so we have room for a Star Wars Land. What would you want in Star Wars land? I personally want a Cantina next to Star Wars, American Idol and Sounds dangerous become expanded Jedi Academy , and we take Indiana Jones and turn it into a combination of Spiderman and Buzz Lightyear where you get into Jedi starfighters and fight the separatists . While we're discussing this , I think Disney should take this opportunity and put some awesome Star Wars games in Disneyquest.

Well sadly I've run out of space . I have so much more to say but I've run out of room. I would talk about this on the discussion board but I don't have an account. Can people under 18 get a Themparkinsider account ?

September 5, 2012 at 12:39 PM · Ooooh, I like the idea of an Incredibles/ Ratatouille/ Bugs Land/ etc. Land. All of those stories hold up with time, and there are a lot of ideas they can pull from the Source Material.

Star Wars is a joke now unfortunately. Robot Chicken, Star Detours, the new Trilogy... nothing serious about it anymore. While I love the characters and the new Star Tours, it's all about satire now.

September 5, 2012 at 12:43 PM · Sort of indifferent to Avatar, but I'd go for Cars Land. And who says it has to be exactly like the one in California?

Another idea that I like (this one isnt mine. Read it either here or over at disboards) is a land or attraction featuring the different iterations of Mickey Mouse from TV, big screen, and books. The poor guy needs a ride featuring him. Include the rest of the classic crew and you could have a land that would rarely need an reboot.

September 5, 2012 at 12:48 PM · I was never on board with the Avatar project from the jump. I just don't think it fits well there.

I also don't understand all the "don't clone it in Florida" talk. Whether or not you like it WDW is the main Disney resort and they need to continue filling all those rooms. On top of that WDW has the most land that can be developed, so I kind of question why it would go to Cali first.

I hope Avatar stays on the shelf. I really think it is a blessing in disguise!

September 5, 2012 at 2:01 PM · I'd say no for Cars Land in Florida. There's a ton of other franchises to choose from to bring a unique land to DHS. Clearly I think using the "Car Lands blueprint" (making an entire immersive detailed land) & coming up with a new concept. As others have mentioned, using another Pixar film (Up, Rat, Incred, etc.)

I mean you can you can make the entire city of Monstropolis (there can be tons of detail there)

September 5, 2012 at 2:08 PM · I loved Radiator Springs Racers when I rode it this summer, and I don't think I'll go back again to SoCal, so if they build it here (Florida) then I will get the chance to re-ride this masterpiece; Disney, please do it!

I still think Avatar has potential to make a great land at Animal Kingdom, so I'm not going to celebrate its demise.

September 5, 2012 at 2:31 PM · I never saw much interest in Avatar, even on the Disney fan blogs, so it may be best that the delays kill the project. I, for one, don't see the problem with duplication. There really isn't any significant customer traffic affected. If you have a winner, it makes financial & customer satisfaction sense to use it wherever possible, not isolate it. Disney needs a quick reaction to all of the fantastic Universal projects. It appears their development process gets bogged down in the Disney corporate bureaucracy. It takes Disney forever to finish a project. That's why Cars Land, or a near derivative of it, is a natural. They can partially fix the Hollywood Studios problem fairly quickly, in Disney time that is. But Universal is doing so much so quick, that Disney has to get more major projects moving forward right now. They have 4 parks to cover, whereas Universal only has 2. So they really need to develop twice as many E tickets just to keep pace. But, do they have the will to do it? The corporate world is littered with major companies that rested on their laurels while a much smaller rival seized the moment . It's a new generation rising, and with social media and the internet changing peoples' focus and interests so rapidly, a company that spends significant chunks of their development money on new gen door locks, pictures and other minor bells & whistles instead of putting development money into the new attractions that the customers really wants, could see their market share deteriorate.
September 5, 2012 at 2:57 PM · Expand Star Wars and Indy's presence at DHS as well as adding one or two more E/D ticket Pixar attractions. Scrap Avatar if you must and blow the dust off of Beastly Kingdom (since we all know Avatar was supposed to be a weird compromise of this never built, fan favorite land anyway). Either that, or let's get moving on a proper Australian section in AK. There's a wealth of inspiration to draw upon for all types of great attractions from this continent. You can keep RS on the West Coast, do something innovative, fresh and daring at know, like something Walt would have done if he was still alive.
September 5, 2012 at 3:07 PM · WOW.. all I'm saying is game point Universal Studios Orlando :)
September 5, 2012 at 3:37 PM · From the sound of it, Rowling may have been a joy to deal with as opposed to Cameron. It sounds like Disney doesn't like to let go of creative control, which is understandable, but banking on thier own films over and over for new lands or attractions may be a mistake.

Disney definitely needs a fresh, new movie franchise to stir up some excitement. I still don't know the details of what they can and can't use in Orlando, but the Avengers would be spectacular....

With Gringott's finally going vertical and what seems to be Transformers taking shape very quickly, Disney should figure something out fast. I would love nothing more than to see two juggernauts going at it to create the most advanced theme parks in the world.

I know Tron Legacy wasn't as popular as they hoped, but that movie has so much potential for rides.

September 5, 2012 at 3:44 PM · Even though there is already a cars land in disneyland I don't care if they bring it here. It's one of my fav pixar movies

-cars land
-pixar land
-star wars
-marvel (really would hate it to leave universal)
-any other land
-then avatar ( I really do not want it in any disney park. Avatar should not be in Disney it's really stupid, doesn't even fit animal kingdom at all bc its modern day animals not blue monkeys and it doesn't fit the target market at all everybody loves star wars over avatar and any other movie. This let it die and not come back to life.

September 5, 2012 at 3:46 PM · I really don't have that big a problem with Cars Land being brought to Florida, after all Disneyland and MK are very similar and that doesn't seem to be hurting attendance at either park. That being said I would love to see a land themed to the Monster Inc world in DHS or Pixar Place if the themeing can be done so that all the Pixar properties can be merged seamlessly. Also the Indy dark ride needs to be brought in to replace the stunt show. As for Animal Kingdom they need to go ahead with the Beastly kingdom or whatever the mystical creature lan was going to be called.
September 5, 2012 at 3:50 PM · Even though DHS desperately needs a shot in the arm, I would hate to see Cars Land go east. I think it's great that DCA has something unique. As others have mentioned there's enough in the Pixar vault to pluck from. I too was never excited about Avatar, I think I've had my fill of licensed theming. I'd rather see them go back to the Beastly Kingdom concept.
September 5, 2012 at 4:34 PM · The entire appeal of Avatar is that the 3D was done better than any other 3D movie.

Theme park lands and attractions are already 3D, so Avatar seems like kind of a waste, unless you can somehow manage to make an entire section of Animal Kingdom EXTRA 3D.

September 5, 2012 at 4:36 PM · The main question here should be: Can Disney afford to get out of their deal with James Cameron? How much will it cost them?
September 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM · I've never liked Cameron, outside of his movies at least. Terminator, Terminator 2, Aliens, and Avatar were good movies, but face it: he's a d*****bag.
September 5, 2012 at 4:38 PM · I think having Cars Land at DHS is a bad idea.

And here is why..

As far as I could see, the main attraction of Cars Land, Radiator Springs Racer, seems to be similar to Test Track. I would see too many comparisions.

Also, they spent all that money on that stunt show. Why not keep it around for a bit longer?

As for Avitar Land, it will probably still happen. I think Disney wants to get Fantasyland done first

September 5, 2012 at 5:05 PM · There are some quick and easy wins by making Streets of America into Streets of Pixar.

Some really quick wins.

Replace Honey I Shrunk the Kids with a Pixar playground - almost any Pixar movie works. While at it, get rid of Studio Catering and use the space as open area and for air movement into an expanded playground. Retail is also a good fit here.

Retheme NY street as Pixar. I would lean to Toy story but that is already taken. Up is a good fit. Or maybe a section for each movie. It was built for easy retheming for Studio shoots. Prove it.

Open up the theater by San Francisco that has been dormant for years. Pick a movie and make a stage show. The latest movie fits and quick and relatively easy to retheme. (If I remember, the theatre needs upgrades bad.

Retheme Sci-Fi to Best of Pixar. It already is built for movies and they own the movies.

Radiator Springs takes over Lights Motor Action and is the climax of the build-out. I hate re-use oc DCA but it should be close to shovel ready and ties the other items together with an E-Ticket.


September 5, 2012 at 5:45 PM · Count me in as one of those happy to see Avatarland dead in the water. Then again, I don't want to see StarWarsLand either. I want Disney to stop basing everything they do on a movie or TV series. How the heck was Expedition Everest even built? Joe Rohde must have incriminating pictures of somebody on the board. Get him involved.

Tear down Lights, Motors, Action and build something unique that nobody has ever seen before. Something that we don't already know because we haven't seen the movie, haven't read the book, haven't Tivo'd the TV show.

September 5, 2012 at 6:12 PM · Please cancel Avatar...please cancel Avatar....please cancel Avatar....please cancel Avatar...please cancel Avatar...

There, I made my wish upon a star.

September 5, 2012 at 6:49 PM · The thing with avatar land, while at this moment, interest might seem "blah". But if it's done well, & with really advanced E ticket attractions, it would still be a huge hit.

With that being said, Cars Land shows that, Disney has many properties that can use...

September 5, 2012 at 8:44 PM · Personally I DO NOT want anything Avatar related anywhere on Disney property. The news of this when it was first brought up was more annoying than thrilling. I also think Cars Land is cool, but not nearly as big of a deal to make a clone of.

What would be really cool is an Indiana Jones Adventure, or some other type of ride, in Florida, preferably in Adventureland somewhere or something. I would definitely go down there for that. Dinosaur, and the Indiana Jones stunt show are great and all, but a movie series like that deserves more tribute.

September 5, 2012 at 9:40 PM · It's kind of irrelevant now, but imagine what imagineers could've done with a lion's king land in place of camp minnie-micky. A large pride rock in the middle, elephant graveyard area, and a watering hole area. Attractions would include a slow moving ride detailing the story of the lion king, the festival of the lion king show, and a fast-moving dark ride called escaping the wildebeest. In addition, the resturaunts would include a timon and pumba bug hut, and as stated earlier, a larger resturaunt called the watering hole. yay or nay?
September 6, 2012 at 12:28 AM · Michael...I say definitely yay. The pride rock could be a real lion exhibit. How cool would that be to see a real pride relaxing on a replica pride rock from the film?! And ya definitely a dark ride about the movie. What a great idea it is animal kingdom after all. but it should be in or adjacent to the Africa section of the park

Carsland should be unique to DCA but a similar ride racing through Monaco or Tokyo from cars 2 would be awesome!

September 6, 2012 at 6:01 AM · Öbviously Camp Minnie and Mickey needs to go and Beastly Kingdom was too expensive. Here's my idea "on the cheap"... "Animal Fantasyland" with dark rides based on Bambi in a forest , Jungle Book, lion king show, and a more modern side featuring rides for 101 dalmations, aristocrats small scale show and full blown themed Lady and the Tramp restaurant.

Done for minimal price compared to avatar or beastly kingdom, highlights under utlized properties and creates a full day park.

September 6, 2012 at 6:08 AM · Öbviously Camp Minnie and Mickey needs to go and Beastly Kingdom was too expensive. Here's my idea "on the cheap"... "Animal Fantasyland" with dark rides based on Bambi in a forest , Jungle Book, lion king show, and a more modern side featuring rides for 101 dalmations, aristocrats small scale show and full blown themed Lady and the Tramp restaurant.

Done for minimal price compared to avatar or beastly kingdom, highlights under utlized properties and creates a full day park.

September 6, 2012 at 6:32 AM · do people really think that if avatar is cancelled they ll bring back the plans for beastly kingdom..because i do if you dont get avatar you may not get anything new for 10 years
September 6, 2012 at 6:43 AM · Avatar was an amazing technical achievement - probably the only instance of 3D I've actually been impressed with and not irritated by - but it wasn't much of a movie. For all it's success I don't know of anyone who is interested in the prospect of the sequels or has anything invested in it as a property. It just seems to have been this enormous curio, that made people go "wow" and then promptly forgot about it. It's just not a cultural touchstone in the way Star Wars or even the Matrix was. So, naturally I'm not crushed that it may not be going ahead.

September 6, 2012 at 7:59 AM · Doesnt it strike anybody else that Disney, that tries to really build up their zoological reputation chose to put a land based on an absolutely fictional other planet? Just doesnt make any sense. Maybe they realized that.
September 6, 2012 at 9:01 AM · I hope Avatar is dead. Not a fan of the movie so not excited one bit by the project. A Cars Land copy is totally fine with me. It would allow those of us on the East Coast who can't readily afford a trip out west a chance to experience what looks and sounds like a great experience. It's the same logic that applies to copies of Disney Classics like Haunted Mansion, Pirates, etc being exported to overseas parks. Why would this be any different? 3000 miles is 3000 miles, same country or not. My other hope would be an Avengers' related area or an expansion of the Star Wars presence.
September 6, 2012 at 9:20 AM · Not a fan of Avatar in the least. Other than the cutting edge special effects at the time, there was nothing special about the film. No surprise about Cameron; he is a well known PITA - just ask his exes! LOL!

I have no idea when I would ever get back out to SoCal again (it has already been 20+ years), so I would love to have a Cars land in FL. Although I think it would be great to have it as part of a larger Pixar area.

September 6, 2012 at 9:52 AM · I don't get the idea of not putting a success like Cars in Florida, or for that matter Euro, Japan, etc. If you have a highly successful product then you put it out there for the masses. Not keep it in a regional theme park. I consider all theme parks regional except Orlando. I know alot of people and alot of Disney people and we are the only family I know of, that goes to both parks. And CA is like once a decade. And we goto see CA not just Disney. Orlando we'll go just to do Disney. Plus WDW is failing in a big way. We spend big, but have been going less to WDW and increasingly to Universal, SeaWorld and whatever else FL has to offer. We are planning on next summer and it will be Legoland and Universal. Anything but Disney.
September 6, 2012 at 10:12 AM · I agree with most of you here, Avatar is not a very marketable
choice for a land. A ride, maybe, but definitely nothing more. The sad part is Disney has had the answer to Harry Potter for years: Star Wars. As far as modern pop culture goes there is nothing more popular than Star Wars, it's simply everywhere. Star Tours has been a success for over 20 years, and Star Wars, like Potter appeals to fans young and old. With the vast richness the Star Wars universe has to offer Disney Imagineers
should have no problem competing with Universal. For good measure add a new Indy ride and the sky's the limit.
September 6, 2012 at 1:54 PM · In response to the Guest,, I somewhat see your reasoning, but I wouldn't simply consider the other parks regional parks (especially DLR). While yes, DLR had a huge amount of AP holders....BUT DL also ranks as the second most visited park behind MK, (even ahead of the other 3 WDW parks)
Those aren't ALL locals..

And Mark, I understand what you're saying, but that same logic can apply to the tons of people on the West Coast who can't afford to visit & experience the great unique attractions in WDW.

I think DHS should get something as innovative, immersive, & fun as Cars Land, but it should be something new! Star Wars Land, another Pixar land, even the Lion King idea.

Cars Land is probably one of the most detailed & themed land in a Disney park, I don't think it should just be copied, instead use that as a blueprint to create ALL NEW lands that are JUST as impressive.

September 6, 2012 at 2:17 PM · Well if not Carsland how about some of the elements fron Tokyo DisneySea such as Mysterious Island. Journey to the center of the Earth and Indiana Jones would be great. You could also bring back a version of 20,000 leagues under the sea.
September 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM · Very astute observation on the blackout dates. The last couple years have had IOA blacked out in July because of Harry Potter, which seems to be moving along well in Universal Studios (I was there Monday)
In addition WDW better do something or Universal is really going to hit them in the pocketbook the next couple of years or so. WDW is getting stale and needs a coat of paint.
September 6, 2012 at 4:06 PM · The only problem I have with Avatar being at Animal Kingdom is its not a Disney Movie. Id prefer to see a Disney Movie put in there instead. Other than that Id love to see avatar land. Animal Kingdom , while not as badly needy as Hollywood studios, does need that one extra big land/2-3 attraction type rides in it.
September 6, 2012 at 8:32 PM · Aaaand we're back to square one.
September 6, 2012 at 9:37 PM · I'd rather have Cars Land than Avatar really anyway..... but I do think Animal Kingdom still needs some more attractions. It needs to be more of a whole day park..... allowing it to stay open until atleast 8pm also.
September 6, 2012 at 9:38 PM · Another interesting point I would like to make concerns the whole "land" concept. Until Harry Potter, many fans were just as satisfied with a single attraction such as an expedition everest or transformers.....really shows you the impact Harry and IOA as a whole has had on the industry
September 6, 2012 at 9:47 PM · Too much Avatar hate in the blogs. Pandora would make a great theme park land if done right. A massively immersive attraction would be incredible.
September 7, 2012 at 7:10 AM · Annnnnnnnnnnd Screamscape doused this rumor in a whole lot of water today:

"(9/7/12) Despite the rumor from IGN claiming that the Avatar project may have hit a speed bump, local sources say that the early prep work projects are moving full steam ahead, with deadlines to keep. "

So, it looks like Avatar-land, as much as people might not want it (like I said, I am lukewarm on it at best) is still moving forward. Slowly, but moving forward.

I do, however, find the irony that now it is Universal moving at light speed on a project while Disney is moving slowly. Usually it is the other way around, but this time Universal is really outpacing Disney. If Avatar-land really still is happening, I wonder if Harry Potter phase 2 will be done before Disney STARTS building the Avatar expansion.

September 7, 2012 at 6:07 PM · I agree with ya Cars Land should not be DHS and Avatar land project is too expensive among the squabbles with Iger and Cameron. Universal studios florida could get the harry potter attraction and the park land should be called London. transfomers is coming to florida to clone exactly like it's hollywood attraction. seaworld orlando is expanding for the antarctica land to attract guests. Harry potter and transformers expand into other parts of the world. Right now its currently Universal over Disney because Universal can respond and communicate better, faster and they work harder respectively.
September 8, 2012 at 2:07 PM · Another idea for Camp Minnie Mickey: Australia!
September 8, 2012 at 10:10 PM · It's amazing that within the next few years Universal is going to have finished Potter phase 2 (with a rumoured two E-tickets in it), Transformers, a new mini 'Springfield' land around the Simpsons ride, and a new mine coaster in Jurassic Park or/and a Mount Crumpet dark ride in Suess land. Disney is really being put to shame.
September 9, 2012 at 5:11 AM · Avatar is still on the cards :)

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