The BLOG FLUME - Oh, Brother!

Disney cans more animators. Rumors spread about an Aladdin theater in the Magic Kingdom. More previews for Mission: Space. And Florida takes another step toward obtaining Cypress Gardens.

From Kevin Baxter
Posted June 9, 2003 at 4:21 PM
COMING SOON TO A THEME PARK NEAR YOU... NOT!
Orlando Sentinel - Jun 7

Now that production of "Brother Bear" has concluded, Disney is celebrating by laying off 50 animators. Unfortunately for those animators, in more ways than one, "Brother Bear" may be the last animated feature many of them ever work on.

Sure, "BB" may be a hit... if they name a character Pixar and mention his name a few thousand times in the commercials. Frankly, I see no way this movie will make money. The trailer made earlier Disney efforts, like "The Fox and the Hound" and "The Black Cauldron," look like pinnacles of the artform. And don't get me started on the dumbass plot. Or why they decided to play the trailer before the excellent "Finding Nemo" and with the hilarious trailer of Pixar's upcoming "The Incredibles." Or the dimwitted selection of November as the release date. You thought Simba's dad got trampled? Wait until November!

After the dud that was "Treasure Planet" and the expected-to-be-duds of "Brother Bear" and "Sinbad," I think hand-drawn animation (or at least animation that LOOKS hand-drawn) will go into hibernation. Disney's next effort will be even cheaper than "BB," which I guess means pre-schoolers with crayons, which should be the final nail. So those with a craving for "old school" animation will have to get their fix with Nickelodeon's feature films.


COMING SOON TO A THEME PARK NEAR YOU... FOR SURE
Screamscape - WDW

All is not dire in the Disney world, since Disney World is getting closer and closer to its opening date for Mission: Space. Fantastic reviews were spreading like wildfire when Imagineering held a little event for the ride, but the true test came last week when Epcot CMs were allowed on the thing. The early word from them? Mission: Space will NOT be the ride to beat in the future. (Spider-Man breathes a sigh of relief.) But they are apparently saying it is a very fun ride, which actually IS a big deal for Disney lately.

A new rumor around WDW has Disney draining the Magic Kingdom's Submarine Lagoon to build a theater in that space. So the next logical step in this rumor involves the previous rumor about Aladdin making its way to the Orlando parks. WHY? The other three parks ALL need something worse than MK does. Yes, Disney/MGM doesn't really need another show since they are building the Auto Stunt Show right now. And the Aladdin theme would mesh horribly with the animal theme at AK. But there is still Epcot, and the ancient rumor about a Hyperion-style theater being built in World Showcase. Aladdin would be PERFECT there. Grrrrrrr!


COMING SOON TO A THEME PARK NEAR YOU... A THEME PARK!
Orlando Sentinel - Jun 7

A Florida committee has unanimously decided that it would be in the state's interest to buy Cypress Gardens. So now it's up to Brother Bush (see how I tied it all up to my brother theme?) and cronies to decide whether to acquire the land with Florida Forever funds.

The bad news is that if the park does get bought by the state, it apparently can't be run by neighbor and time-share magnate (sigh) David Siegel wouldn't be able to lease it. His ideas of adding exhibits and museums is a good one, though, and shouldn't be ignored. The good news is that it apparently also can't be bought by Kent Buescher, who for some reason isn't called theme-park magnate or somesuch, who wanted to sully the park with Spin 'n' Barfs and the like. Let's all hope Brother Bush runs this environment better than Baby Bush runs the rest of it!

From Anonymous
Posted June 9, 2003 at 5:24 PM
Hand drawn animation is not dead, just that the stories have been horrible. I just wish Disney and Dreamworks would go back to fairy tales and stop with trying to update a classic into a cartoon. Pixars movies are doing good because they are unique stories and are told well.

They both just need to stop what they are doing and take a break for about 2 years and start hashing out fresh stories.

From Matt Smeltzer
Posted June 9, 2003 at 9:47 PM
...but Kevin, I LIKED The Fox and the Hound. Here I stand up for you when the hordes attack, and you trash a treasured childhood memory. What was it about again?

From steve lee
Posted June 9, 2003 at 10:26 PM
The anonymous poster above is absolutely correct. It isn't the animation technique that's the problem - it's the scripts they're working with. Would Toy Story be a classic if it was hand drawn? Of course it would be. Would Atlantis be better if it had been computer animated? Of course not. It just woulda been shinier.

I mean, did someone really think "Spirit" was a GOOD idea? It's a movie about a horse featuring music by Bryan Adams. I don't know who that's supposed to be appealing to. Canadian horse enthusiasts (I know, the Canadian government has already issued a formal apology for Bryan Adams)?

From KANNi8L KL0wN
Posted June 9, 2003 at 11:33 PM
I Liked Treasure Planet : /
The ad for Brother Bear was totally absurd, tho.
(I'm still waiting for SpongeBob to hit the big screen!)

From Bobby Cole
Posted June 10, 2003 at 5:38 AM
All I can add is Pixar is great. Loved all their movies. Finding Nemo is funny and flows. As for the other disney movies. ummm no. no thanks.

From Russell Meyer
Posted June 10, 2003 at 8:05 AM
Disney and others have made a number of good features that just haven't cut it at the box office. Maybe that's the problem with animation in general, because you're deveopling a story that will not reach the screen for 4-5 years, it's difficult to tell if the concepts employed in the story will still be effective 5 years down the road. Atlantis, Mulan, Hercules, and Prince of Egypt are all good examples of feature that were all good that just didn't make it at the box office. Maybe Disney is making the right choice in trimming the budgets of its features division to limit the losses if the movie doesn't pan out. If you just spent $100+ million on a bomb like Treasure Planet, you would be slashing your budgets too.

I think Disney needs to reign itself in and limit itself to just one traditional feature for theaters, 2-3 features for video, and one computer animated feature per year. Ever since Disney expanded their releases they've been having problems. They need to relearn that it's quality, not quantity that people want.

From Michael Murray
Posted June 10, 2003 at 8:20 AM
While I hate to see animators get laid off, I would be in favor of it if it meant that Disney would burp out less films and focus on making fewer films with higher quality. Pixar takes 18 months to create a movie and each one is an event. With Disney releasing two animated films per year, the market is oversaturated and don't even get me started on all that direct to video sequel crap...

From Robert Niles
Posted June 10, 2003 at 9:24 AM
Well... I'll defend "Spirit." It was a good movie that would have been great had DreamWorks (a) cut the voice-over narration and (b) gotten someone else to do the songs. The two elements that got the most press were not only superfluous, they detracted from a rather touching story.

From J. Dana
Posted June 10, 2003 at 11:34 AM
Responding to the poster who said they'd like a return to fairy tales...apparently that's the plan, but the new head-honch wants it to be all computer animated. I spoke with some of the animators this weekend who feel kinda like pets left on the side of the road. They're willing to be trained in the digital animation side, but Disney's not willing to do that for some reason. By the way, Mulan and Lilo and Stitch were both successes, and both made by the Florida animation studio. Early screenings of Brother Bear (lame trailors not withstanding) have been VERY well received, and it's expected to be a moderate success (north of $150 million at the box office on its $65 million budget..not bad). So, here's the deal: three successful movies from Florida, and Disney lays off all the Florida traditional animators. However, we get bombs from California (Atlantis and Treasure Planet...which about sinks the whole division), and they get to keep their jobs. Folks, sometimes it's about more than quality, and (strangely), even about more than turning a profit. If Disney wants to know why their bottom line is hurting, all they've got to do is OPEN THEIR EYES.

From Kevin Baxter
Posted June 11, 2003 at 3:04 AM
Oh, please! Where did those expectations come from? Are those the same people that predicted what "Treasure Planet" would make? Cuz they was waaaaaaaay off. I am predicting right now that "BB" won't get near $100M. It looks too cheap and uninteresting and is coming out in a month where it will be killed. If it doesn't open HUGE, which it won't, it will be gone by Xmas.

As for telling good stories, "Emperor's New Groove" did fairly well also, but not up to expectations. I don't think stories are enough right now. Hand-drawn is fine, but when hugely popular Nick characters can't bring in $100M, then there is something wrong in Dodge.

It's kind of like popcorn movies. Some seem interesting, like "The Italian Job" but others just have the buzz, like "2 Fast 2 Furious." And there are only so many movies someone will see in a year. So lesser movies like "TIJ" are put off until they hit the rental stores. That's what's happening to hand-drawn animation. With the Shreks and Nemos out in theaters, families are just deciding to save the $30 they would have spent in the theaters to just wait and buy the DVDs of the "lesser" movies. Hand-drawn animation is just going to have to go away for a while so when it comes back it will have a touch of nostalgia and won't seem so tired.

From Anonymous
Posted June 11, 2003 at 10:54 AM
After reading all of these comments, when I went to see "Nemo" last night I was expecting to see a really horrible trailer for "Brother Bear".

But to my great surprise, the trailer I saw was actually appealing. The movie looks beautiful. So maybe I'm just out of touch with the rest of you, or maybe they wizened up and changed the trailer.

For me, this was a more appealing trailer than I've seen in a while for a Disney movie. So I'm more optimistic now that Brother Bear might actually be good.

But I agree that a November release sounds really stupid. Release it in August, when the kids are still on summer vacation but have all seen Nemo 10 times already.

- Joy

From Anonymous
Posted June 11, 2003 at 2:23 PM
actually, disney has always released many of its big animated movies in November. Little mermaid, Lion King, and Aladdin (as well as all the pixar movies other than Nemo)are all examples.

November has historically always been a big month for family oriented movies.

From Anonymous
Posted June 11, 2003 at 2:31 PM
sorry, I meant beauty and the beast, not Lion King above.

From J. Dana
Posted June 12, 2003 at 7:01 PM
Yes, I too liked the trailer and am eagerly waiting to see it. It's father/son/finding yourself theme is obviously geared toward the Lion King crowd. I refered to the "lame trailer" just for the sake of argument. And I agree that under normal circumstances, a November (Thanksgiving) release is a GREAT idea (worked for Monsters Inc. which went on to gross over $500 million world-wide). What other movies are scheduled for that time? Besides Cat in the Hat, I'm not aware of the other big family/children's movies. The Matrix finale and Lord of the Rings finale are around that time, but they're a bit more mature. I hope Bear does well.

From J. Dana
Posted June 12, 2003 at 7:09 PM
And Kevin...Emperor's New Groove was a wasted effort. It was more of a high-class Saturday morning cartoon than a true theatrical feature. I liked it, but was disappointed by its very limited scope. It was a small-screen movie. So you can't fairly use it as an example of a great story and great writing that performed poorly. I enjoyed Treasure Planet, but it did poorly because it couldn't find its market. Was it for teenage boys? If so, then why in the world would you release it the exact same weekend as Tomb Raider? Tomb Raider pummeled Treasure Planet. Disney should have learned from other sci-fi cartoons (including Atlantis and other bombs) that hard science fiction isn't a big winner with animation audiences. Lilo and Stitch did well because it soft-pedaled the sci-fi and instead opted to play heavy on the schmaltzy broken family theme. If you can't tell, Lilo and Stitch is my favorite Disney film in years and years. LOVE IT!!!
Do you think that if Treasure Planet had been all computer animation (with the same exact story) it would have done better? Doubt it.
Anyways, there's only one way to end this conversation....wait till November.

From steve lee
Posted June 12, 2003 at 10:25 PM
Treasure Planet came out November of last year, while Tomb Raider came out Summer the year before...

Did you mean Atlantis? Your argument is still sound if that's the case...

The reason hand drawn is failing is the same reason other studios' cartoons fail - a bad story is a bad story (the notable exception to this rule is Iron Giant - at the time of its release, Warner Bros couldn't market their way out of a paper sack).

From Kevin Baxter
Posted June 13, 2003 at 12:48 AM
Let's just say that hand-drawn needs not only a good story but a hook to bring people in. "BB" may have a good story, though it seems sappier than a maple tree, and the alleged hook - man turns into bear - doesn't seem like much of one.

And that trailer isn't helping. Some people may be interested in that trailer, but we saw it with the trailers for "The Incredibles," "Sinbad," "Looney Tunes: Back in Action," "Freaky Friday" and "Radio" (don't ask me why an adult-oriented movie was mixed in with that group!) The theater was almost packed and the crowd reacted enthusiastically to "The Incredibles" the most. Followed closely by "Looney Tunes" and "Freaky Friday." No one made a sound during the other two kiddie trailers. Well, right when everyone thought the "BB" trailer was over there were groans and sighs, but then the moose twins came back on and people laughed at that. If they can focus more on the humor, like they did for "Lilo and Stitch," and stay away from the schmaltz, they MIGHT get people into the theater.

Still, it opens the same week as "Matrix Revolutions" which may have a different audience, but could make parents stay away that weekend. The following week brings "Looney Tunes" with "The Cat in the Hat" the week after that (I rhymed!) Once the Cat hits town, "BB" will be a memory since those three will be fighting it out for Thanksgiving crowds. There's no doubt the Cat will rule, but who gets the leftovers? If I had to guess, I would think parents, who do make the movie-going decisions, will choose to see Bugs and Taz over "some bear movie."

As for "Treasure Island" being computer-animated? Yeah, I DO think it would have done much better. Horrible reviews didn't keep people away from "Dinosaur." And many people probably went to see "Ice Age" because it was computer-animated. Does anyone think it would have done as well if it were hand-drawn? I sure don't. I just think there is a subconscious perception out there that since more work is being done creating computer animation, that more work is going into the other areas too.

"Monsters, Inc" is a perfect example of this. Here we have a sitcommy script that suddenly turns into a heartwarming comedy with the appearance of Boo and then turns into an action-adventure. Had it been animated the old-fashioned way, would people be making such a fuss over it? Wouldn't it be great if we could release all these movies in parallel worlds, with one world getting only hand-drawn and the other getting the computer versions?

From Robert Niles
Posted June 13, 2003 at 9:41 AM
One part of the problem with Disney's traditional animation films is that so many of them look the same, and that look just doesn't hold people's attention anymore. Perhaps that's why people warmed to Lilo & Stitch. With its watercolor backgrounds and realistic body types, it *looked* different from other Disney hand-drawn films. As all computer animated movies do, too.

My favorite segment from Fantasia 2000 was Rhaposdy in Blue, in part because of the Al Hirschfeld look. Yes, you need a great story for a successful animated film. But you also need a fresh look. Right now, computer animation provides that. So does anime, which is part of the reason why so many people adored Spirited Away. (Of course, Disney's decision not to release or market the film aggressively doomed it to modest B.O. in the U.S.)

Still... I predict that the audience someday will tire of the glossy look of computer animation, and those animators will, too, need to vary their films' looks in order to retain the audience.

From Ben Mills
Posted June 13, 2003 at 4:24 PM
We never got Spirited Away. We still haven't got Nemo, and they haven't even started the trailers for it over here yet. England sucks.

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