2009 Best Ride in America Tournament, round two: Millennium Force bracket
Welcome to the second day of round two in the 2009 Best Ride in America tournament
on Theme Park Insider.
Yesterday, all the upper seeds advanced, led by Busch Gardens Europe's Griffon and joined by BGE's Apollo's Chariot and Disneyland's Space Mountain and Haunted Mansion.
Today, tournament three-seed Millennium Force leads the way, taking on fellow Cedar Point coaster Magnum XL-200.
As always, I ask you to take a look at the comments below before casting your votes. (Early voters, get the campaigning going by submitting a comment.) Thoughtful votes help make this a better tournament.
Two first-round upset winners face off next, Busch Gardens Africa's floorless dive coaster SheiKra versus Disney's California Adventure's Soarin' Over California.
Walt Disney World's top two roller coasters meet up in round two: Animal Kingdom's Expedition Everest and Hollywood Studios' Rock n' Roller Coaster. Only one will move on to round three.
Finally, given what many folks have written in the comments during the tournament, as well as the strength that Disney and Universal rides have shown in it, this might be the match-up which determines what ride moves on to the final four: Disneyland's Indiana Jones Adventure takes on Universal Studios Florida's Men In Black Alien Attack.
To the comments!
MEN IN BLACK: ALIEN ATTACK
The other day TPI regular James Rao offered up this post:
Sorry TH, but give me Buzz anyday before MIB. While the ride was nice, I did not like the multiple ending, it was not explained all that well, the red button I thought was an emergency stop spinning button, and we lost every time! Also, I thought that the Carantour was the biggest animatronic? I do not really remember the Edgar Bug moving when I went on it (perhaps a Yeti breakdown?). But thats just my two sense. Shooter games are always fun!
Okay, today is the day I make my impassioned plea for us all to send a message to the powers that be at Walt Disney Imagineering.
Anthony writes: Sorry TH, but give me Buzz anyday before MIB.
Well, it was nice seeing Magnum get out of the first round. Still love the ride, never forget the first one. Millennium is just too good.
The yeti on Everest may be "broken", but at least the ride is an original. Rock 'n' Roller Coaster is just an enclosed version of the Joker's Jinx at Six Flags. You also can't forget that Everest is a fully immersive experience with one of the best queue lines in existence along with its beautiful natural surroundings. So, moving yeti or no moving yeti, vote Everest.
There is no "may be" about it: the Yeti does not move. An animatronic that does not animate is broken. Whether the problem is the Yeti itself, or the platform on which it stands, is irrelevant. The fact is Disney is providing a lesser experience and we are being forced to accept it (and pay full price for it).
Derek, I think that every attraction is diminished after it has been experienced. Coaster, narrative attraction, midway ride, it doesn't matter. Once you know what is going to happen the experience may still be fun, but has lesser impact.
Shiekra vs Soarin
The war begins. Unleash hell.
What I meant is that I like Buzz more than MIB. I like Indy more than both so there we go. I just dislike MIB, sorry!
Looks like a couple of battles are brewing today.
RA writes: MIB may be the best shooting ride, but it doesn't touch a hair on the back of Indy.
I cannot believe the amount of hate for Soarin'. I think it's a great attraction. More than anything, people have been complaining about the attraction's technical aspects rather than the experience itself. Yes, it's pretty simple - a conveyor in front of a big screen. Well, Space Mountain is simple - it's a wild mouse coaster in a dome. Rockin' Roller Coaster is a launch coaster in a building. Dudley Do-Right is a flume with marginal theming. Yet all of these attractions seem to be praised around here.
Everest is what it is. A family coaster that thrills 1800 people an hour. It's not designed for the Cedar Point crowd, and if you thought it was going to be a no holds barred knuckle-whitener, you've missed the point. It's theme is immersive, complex and something a thrill junkie is likely to miss.
As for the other match-ups ...
TH...the minute you say that Indy is a minor improvement on Dinosaur, when clearly Indy came out 3 years earlier(1995) and was the clear progenitor of Dinosaur(1998), your whole argument becomes flawed.
No RA, I think a ride that maintains consistency with the licensed property is a better attraction. A ride with in guest interaction is a better attraction. A ride with multiple endings is a better attraction. A ride that guests re-visit over and over again on the same visit to a theme park is better.
Apparently, MIB is the only ride that guests ride over again and again. Apologies from my part for that obvious mistake.
Um... Robert, didn't your overview of this tournament say something encouraging about "trash talking?"
Yes, everyone, I agree: Everest is better than RnRC....but that is not the point!!!! Everest is broken. It must be fixed. No one is going to lose their job if a ride goes into rehab, that is insane. In fact, some construction teams currently collecting unemployment will get gainful employement!
I love MIB, but have no idea what it is up against so wont vote.
Even broken, Everest beats the souped-up "SuperStar Limo" that is RnRC.
It's funny that people keep complaining about two main components of Soarin':
Regardless of the competition today, calling RnR a souped up Superstar Limo is like calling
BTW - great freaking comments today. Some excellent debates. Really helps the work day progress! Nothing like working on boring enhancement documents and alt-tabbing to the next spicy argument!
Haha - Alt-Tab - the life-force of the workplace and engineering tutorials alike.
James...if Disney fixes the Yeti and increases the theming and immersion, I'll be right there with you.
Actually Raul, the choice between Indy and MIB really comes down to this: do you prefer attractions that carry an airtight theme, coherent story that carries forward the licensed property, allows guest interaction (as opposed to being just riders ... yawn), exceptional animation and effects and a unique and different ride experience every time you visit? If so, MIB kicks Indy's tired butt all over the board.
"TPS report? Oh, sorry, boss, I've been working on my
My thoughts regarding MIB vs. INDY...
What TH meant to say was this:
Clearly the fact that Raul missed the plot line of the attraction (guests are MIB trainees visiting MIB headquarters to become agents when it is announced a ship full of alien bad guys has crash landed in New York City and the newbies have to chase them down) makes it understandable why he has become awestruck with an (ahem) "effect" that involves nothing more than a big rock.
Robert wrote: "TPS report? Oh, sorry, boss, I've been working on my TPI report today...."
James, I totally agree that originality isn't always a strong suit of a lot of parks these days. Just about everyone, including Disney and Universal have clones. They justify it because the parks are in different markets, but in reality I think the decision is based on money and being safe instead of always trying to be original. Once the market becomes saturated with dozens of B&M coasters, it's easy to dismiss how good most of them are because there are so many. If the market were saturated with mildly thrilling theme rides, I'm sure that many would start to see them in the same light. Coaster technology is recycled a lot, but it's very effective. Take for example the highly regarded (yet hosed in this tourney) Thunderhead. The design (like all GCI designs) is heavily inspired by a guy named Fred Church, a prolific coaster builder from the 1920s. Their trains are a slightly modified version of Church's trains...85 year old technology.
Raul Writes: "Of course, MIB does have a neat, giant bug head.:)"
Two excellent match-ups today! I've loved watching the lead flip in the Sheikra/Soarin' and the Indy/MIB match-ups. I think I've seen the lead change at least 2 or 3 times for both of these pairings.
Derek, you and I are saying the same thing, really.
This is like watching a train wreck. No way in hell should Indy be even close to MIB. Indy was great when it opened back in 95 but come on people. I plead with you don't vote for Indy just because it's a Disney ride. MIB is one of the most interactive, innovative, exciting and don't forget fun rides to ever be created. This shouldn't even be close.
MIB needs some more love. Indy is a pretty god dark ride, especially since it has different outcomes, but MIB is light years beyond any shooting gallary dark ride in the world, and I could easily ride it over 100 times straight.
MIB vs. Indy is a real barn burner! One vote between 'em!
Robert, you should put a health warning before this tournament. The lead changes between Sheikra/Soarin' and Indy/MIB are giving me whiplash.
No Robert you shouldn't put a health warning because ...
For me the first tie was easy, Millennium Force takes it.
*Sigh*. I just want my lunging Yeti back. Curses, foiled again.
I find it interesting that the MIB/Indiana poll has almost more than 200 votes than the MF/Magnum poll. And in the MIB/Indiana poll, Indiana has a slight lead. Do I detect Disney fans coming out to support their ride?
I think you do Mike. In fact, I have my suspicions that some voters of the cheese loving variety are going to the trouble of casting more than one vote. Obviously that's just speculation, but since thinking doesn't cost anything....
I am all for phoning friends and getting them to vote, but you need more than one IP to cast more than one vote from a single PC. You think folks are going to the trouble to drive around town hijacking other peoples wireless accounts just to vote for a ride?
As one who runs a CP fan site, I'm all for promoting the tournament to support CP rides, but I feel people should make up their own mind about the best rides.
Men in Black is like no other. The best ride that I have ever experienced.
West Coast REPRESENTS!
We're putting cover pages on all out-going TPI reports ... did ya get the memo?
I haven't commented on anything other than Everest and Dance Club Yeti today, but for the other competitions, I went with:
Men In Black is so much better in every way than the whip and hat show. It's a total concept from the pavillion to the gift shop. Just not a thing missing. And it's rich in detail for those of us who are looking for gaffs. You won't find any. It just rocks.
Allow me to say that the referral logs for today's votes are very, very interesting.
Indiana Jones is making a last minute surge. Come on baby you can do it!
It was I that made the anonymous comment re:lost jobs. Sorry, I thought I was logged in.
About my previous comment about casting votes...I did a couple of little experiments to test my theory. As it turns out, it's definitely not as hard as one might think, and not out of the realm of possibility that people are casting more than one ballot. Not saying that it's happening, but since thinking is free, and I had some time to kill....It would be a bit on the pathetic side if this were happening, but the world is sometimes a pathetic place.
What an upset! MIB takes Indy. And Soarin' makes a comeback.
Aaaaand as usual, the Disney fanboys sweep in at the last minute to stack the vote. Enjoy your broken-down ride!
The thing that stinks is I voted 175 times for RnRC, and it still got whipped. I sure picked the wrong attraction to unseat a great ride like Everest.
Are you seeing the numbers on Indy vs. MIB?!!!!!
Come on MIB, 21 votes in the last 20 min. I hope todays matchups are as heated.
Down goes Indy!
FRAUD! I call voter FRAUD on the MIB vs Indy race :)
With over 200 more votes for MIB vs. Indy than the next closest race (which probably also had shill voting), it's obvious there's something fishy going on. Only registered users should vote. Without that guarantee of integrity, there's not much point in further voting.
"Sore Losers!" I call "Sore Losers!" in the Indy vs. MIB match-up!
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